Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs Hearing

Rep. Burchett enters into the hearing record a Defense Intelligence Reference Document titled 'Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum (Spacetime) Metric Engineering,' describing it as unclassified but 'sometimes difficult for the public to get a hold of.'

a report defense intelligence reference documents Advanced space propulsion based on vacuum space-time metric engineering some light reading

Rep. Luna cites polling that 68% of Americans believe the government is hiding information about UAP and 'not being honest,' and a separate poll that nearly half of Americans believe the federal government is doing a 'very bad or somewhat bad job' handling UFO sighting reports.

one poll in particular found that 68 percent of Americans believe that the government is hiding information about uaps and not being honest

Chairman Grothman notes that AARO Director Sean Kirkpatrick testified before the Senate that his office 'found no evidence of extraterrestrial activity,' and that NASA has also stated it has no evidence of extraterrestrial life.

Sean Kirkpatrick director of the all domain anomaly resolution office ... has testified before the Senate this year that his unit has found no evidence of extra extra activity

Rep. Moskowitz quotes then-Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer as stating the American public has 'a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena,' and quotes former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe telling Fox News, 'there are a lot more sightings that have not been made public.'

the American public has a right to learn about Technologies of unknown Origins non-human intelligence and unexplainable phenomena

Rep. Moskowitz states AARO's initial analysis identified '171 uncharacterized UAP reports' that 'appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities.'

there are 171 uncharacterized UAP reports and this is the words from the report that appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics

Beginning in 2014-2015, after radar/IR upgrades, VFA-11 ('Red Rippers') F/A-18 crews off Virginia Beach routinely detected unknown objects, correlated across radar, infrared, and eventually visual identification, described as dark-gray or black cubes inside a clear sphere roughly 5-15 feet in diameter; one such object passed within about 50 feet of an aircraft during a 2014 training mission.

the object described as a dark gray or a black Cube inside of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be 5 to 15 feet in diameter

Since 2021, all UAP videos have been classified 'secret or above,' which Graves argues increases secrecy, speculation, and mistrust.

since 2021 all UAP videos are classified as secret or above this level of secrecy not only impedes our understanding but fuels speculation and mistrust

A multi-decade UAP crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering program exists within the US government; Grusch was informed of it in the course of official duties but was denied the further 'read-on' access he requested.

I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access

On 14 November 2004, four aircrew in two F/A-18s visually observed a roughly 40-foot white 'Tic Tac'-shaped object with no wings, rotors, or visible control surfaces off San Diego; the USS Princeton had reportedly tracked similar objects descending from over 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet and hovering for hours over the preceding two weeks.

the controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks coming down from over 80 000 feet rapidly descending to 20 000 feet

When Fravor's aircraft approached, the object rapidly accelerated and disappeared; the intercept controller then reported the same object had reappeared roughly 60 miles away, at the aircrew's planned CAP point, in well under a minute.

sir you're not going to believe this but that thing is at your cat Point roughly 60 miles away in less than a minute

No formal investigation followed the 2004 incident (no radar tape retained, no further debrief beyond backseat aircrew, no follow-up by ship or squadron leadership) until 2009, when AATIP's Jay Stratton (under Luis Elizondo) contacted Fravor, eventually leading to the December 2017 New York Times story co-reported by Leslie Kean, Ralph Blumenthal, and Helene Cooper.

the incident was never investigated none of my crew ever questioned tapes were never taken ... it wasn't until 2009 until Jay Stratton had contacted me

The US government is in possession of UAP, based on interviews with over 40 witnesses across four years whose stated locations were given to the Inspector General and intelligence committees.

do you believe that our government is in possession of uaps absolutely based on interviewing uh over 40 Witnesses over four years

The same objects were observed holding a completely stationary position ('0.0 Mach', zero groundspeed) in Category-4-hurricane-force winds, then abruptly accelerating to supersonic speeds of Mach 1.1-1.2.

these objects were staying completely stationary and category 4 hurricane winds these same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds 1.1 1.2 Mach

Grusch is subject to an active whistleblower reprisal investigation and describes 'brutal' professional and personal retaliation for coming forward, which he calls 'administrative terrorism.'

it was very brutal and very unfortunate some of the tactics they used to hurt me both professionally and and personally

A wingman aircraft, launched afterward to further investigate, experienced significant jamming/lock loss on its APG-73 radar when attempting to track the object, and switched to a passive FLIR targeting pod to capture the released video.

my crew that launched after we landed experienced significant jamming to the apg-73 radar ... it hit the lock and the targeting pod is passive that's what we were able to get the video on

Fravor has faced no personal repercussions for coming forward; he says all six aircrew involved in the 2004 encounter have retired or will retire honorably from the military.

actually I've been treated very well and the six people that were involved myself included all of them have or will be retiring from the military

Grusch has no data indicating US non-human-intelligence programs are working with adversarial foreign governments on technology-exchange or reverse-engineering programs.

our nhis working with adversarial foreign governments in either technology exchange programs or back engineering programs I don't have data on that I'm not sure

In roughly 2003, Boeing contractors near a Vandenberg AFB launch facility observed a roughly 100-yard, red/square object approach from the ocean and hover at low altitude for about 45 seconds before departing over nearby mountains; a similar event with aggressive behavior toward security guards occurred later that evening. The witness who relayed this to Graves reportedly retained official base documentation of the event.

observed a very large 100 yard sided uh Red Square uh approached the base from the ocean and hover at low altitude over one of the launch facilities

While at NGA (with an information cutoff of April [2023]), Grusch personally reviewed overhead-collection and other strategic/tactical imagery of objects he could not explain conventionally; some imagery reportedly corresponds to crash sites, per people he describes as having direct knowledge, which he declines to discuss further in open session.

I personally um reviewed both what we call Overhead collection and from other strategic and tactical platforms that were I could not even explain prosaically

Commercial pilots have received cease-and-desist orders from their employers for coming forward about UAP safety encounters.

I have been made privy to conversations with commercial aviators who have received seasoned assist orders

On close review of the original enlarged FLIR video of the Tic Tac, two small objects appear to emerge from its bottom.

when we did take the original FLIR video that is out there when you put it on a big screen it actually had two little objects that came out of the bottom of it

AARO Director Sean Kirkpatrick's testimony that there is 'no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity or off-world technology' is 'not accurate'; some of the roughly 30 individuals Kirkpatrick said came to AARO are people Grusch also separately interviewed, and Grusch briefed Kirkpatrick in a classified April 2022 conversation before Kirkpatrick took over AARO in July 2022.

it's not accurate I believe Dr kirpatrick mentioned he had about 30 individuals that have come to Arrow thus far

The US government has been aware of non-human intelligence since as early as the 1930s.

open both scientifically certainly like I've discussed publicly uh previously 1930s

Grusch has specific (but publicly undisclosed) knowledge that funds have been misappropriated to conceal UAP-related programs, and that US corporations may overcharge the government via Independent Research and Development (IRAD) mechanisms to help fund unacknowledged programs.

do you think U.S corporations are over over charging for certain Tech they're selling to the US government ... correct through something called irad

Defense contractors are not required to disclose or report UAP sightings or encounters, to Grusch's knowledge.

are they required um to issue any disclosure regarding UAP sightings ... in terms of the contractors not that I'm aware of they do not

Grusch is not aware of any evidence that recovered craft are of domestic US origin, and states the alleged recoveries predate many of the advanced US programs he is aware of.

not to my knowledge plus the recoveries predate a lot of our Advanced programs that I previously am waiting of

Grusch has personal knowledge of colleagues physically injured in connection with legacy UAP reverse-engineering activity, and says he and his wife personally witnessed something 'very disturbing,' which he declines to detail in open session.

I can't get into the specifics in an open environment but at least the activity that I personally witnessed ... was very disturbing

The holographic principle (from general relativity and quantum mechanics) is offered as a purely theoretical framework, not documented evidence, for how a 'multi-dimensional' craft or being could appear to, and crash in, our reality.

the framework that I'm familiar with for example is something called the holographic principle

After a constituent's protected disclosure about an Eglin AFB UAP incident, Rep. Gaetz (with Burchett and Luna) visited the base and was shown one flight crew member's photo of a large 'orb'; the crew reportedly saw four craft in a clear diamond formation on a test mission over the Gulf of Mexico, and their radar and FLIR systems malfunctioned when one pilot approached the orb, forcing a manual, non-automated photo capture.

they saw a sequence of four craft in a clear diamond formation ... his radar went down he said that his flear system malfunctioned and that he had to manually take this image

The released 'Gimbal' video shows a single rotating object on FLIR, while the pilots' verbal chatter refers to a broader 'fleet' of objects not visible on that sensor; Graves says he saw this discrepancy reflected in radar situational-awareness display data during a debrief of the aircrew involved.

the recording on the at FLIR system shows a single object that rotates ... you hear the pilots refer to a fleet of objects that is not visible on the FLIR system

More than 30 military and commercial witnesses have confided similar UAP encounters through Americans for Safe Aerospace, with nearly 5,000 people having joined the organization; Graves personally estimates that only around 5% of pilot UAP sightings are ever reported.

we're somewhere near five percent reporting perhaps so like 95 basically don't report seeing UAP that's just my personal estimate

Non-human biologics were recovered along with some UAP craft, per the assessment of people Grusch describes as having direct, current knowledge of the program.

biologics came with some of these recoveries ... non-human and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program

The object showed no thermal exhaust plume and no visible propulsion, wings, rotors, or seams, while exhibiting acceleration from a stop to matching the jet's speed 'in no time,' g-forces no human could survive with known technology, and maneuvers no current or near-future (10-20 year) US aircraft could replicate.

I think what we experienced was like I said well beyond the Material Science and the capabilities that we had at the time that we have currently or that we're going to have in the next 10 to 20 years

Graves, Grusch, and Fravor each answer, without elaboration in open session, that it is possible UAP could be collecting reconnaissance on and probing vulnerabilities in US military capabilities, and are 'potentially' an existential national-security threat.

do you feel based off of your experience ... that these UOP uaps provide an existential threat to the National Security of the United States Mr Graves potentially

The 1971 US-Soviet 'Agreement on Measures to Reduce the Risk of Outbreak of Nuclear War' (Article 3) and associated declassified documents from the George Washington University National Security Archive reference specific 'Red Line' message-traffic protocols relevant to UAP-related incidents.

the agreement on measures to reduce the risk of outbreak a nuclear war sign in 1971 ... declassified in 2013 specific Provisions in the specific uh Red Line flash message traffic

Grusch has concerns, based on his official-duty interviews, of potential Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) violations ('white collar crime') connected to the alleged cover-up.

I have concerns based on the interviews I conducted under my official duties of potential violations of the federal acquisition regulations the far