In full: US Congress holds 'Exposing the Truth' UFO hearing
- Channel
- The Telegraph
- Length
- 2 h 8 min
- Format
- Panel
- Speakers
- Nancy Mace, Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger, Michael Gold, Glenn Grothman, and 11 more
- Claims checked
- 4 of 38
Summary
A November 13, 2024 joint House Oversight subcommittee hearing ('Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth') in which four witnesses -- retired Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, former DoD official Luis Elizondo, journalist Michael Shellenberger, and former NASA official Michael Gold -- testify that the US government is withholding UAP information from Congress and the public, including alleged crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering programs. Shellenberger introduces a 12-page whistleblower document naming an unacknowledged special access program, 'Immaculate Constellation,' which he says catalogs high-resolution UAP imagery, sensor data, and human-intelligence reports going back decades. Gallaudet recounts a 2015 Navy safety-of-flight incident (the 'Go Fast' FLIR video) and a subsequently deleted internal email; Elizondo affirms under oath that crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering programs exist and that recovered biological material has been discussed, while repeatedly declining specifics in open session, citing a signed non-disclosure restriction. Gold argues the central problem is a lack of rigorous scientific data collection, not confirmed non-human origin, and proposes NASA's archives, AI/ML analysis, and the Aviation Safety Reporting System as fixes. Members of Congress from both parties press for declassification and cite the UAP Disclosure Act and Safe Airspace for Americans Act; none of the extraordinary claims (crash retrieval, biologics, White House management of the program) are independently corroborated within the hearing itself, and the panel includes no skeptical or debunking witness.
We publish a summary, chapters, the claims and short quotes. The transcript itself is never published.
Speakers
- Nancy MaceHost
- Tim GallaudetRetired Rear Admiral, US Navy; CEO, Ocean STL Consulting; former Acting Administrator/Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere (led NOAA)
- Luis ElizondoFormer Department of Defense official; former director of a White House special access program on UAP for the National Security Council; author
- Michael ShellenbergerFounder of the newsletter Public; journalist
- Michael GoldChief Growth Officer, Redwire Space; former NASA official; member of NASA's UAP Independent Study Team
- Glenn GrothmanChairman, House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs; U.S. Representative (R-WI)
- Robert GarciaU.S. Representative (D-CA), House Oversight Committee
- Jared MoskowitzU.S. Representative (D-FL), acting ranking member
- Tim BurchettU.S. Representative (R-TN), House Oversight Committee
- Clay HigginsU.S. Representative, House Oversight Committee (introduced by the chair as 'Mr Higgins')
- Maxwell FrostU.S. Representative (D-FL), House Oversight Committee and House Science, Space, and Technology Committee
- Anna Paulina LunaU.S. Representative (R-FL), House Oversight Committee
- Andy BiggsU.S. Representative (R-AZ), House Oversight Committee
- Eric BurlisonU.S. Representative (R-MO), House Oversight Committee
- William TimmonsU.S. Representative (R-SC), House Oversight Committee
- Lauren BoebertU.S. Representative (R-CO), House Oversight Committee
- Andy OglesU.S. Representative (R-TN), House Oversight Committee
Claims
- Unverified
HR McMaster said publicly that phenomena have been witnessed by multiple people that are inexplicable by available science.
There are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by the science available.
- Unverified
US Army Colonel Karl Nell said at a May 2024 conference that non-human intelligence exists and has been interacting with humanity for a long time, known to unelected government officials.
Non-human intelligence exists, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity, this interaction is not new and it's been ongoing.
- Unverified
The Pentagon and intelligence community have failed six consecutive financial audits and have never passed one.
The Pentagon has failed six consecutive audits, in fact it's never actually passed one.
- Unverified
Despite a year of committee questioning inside and outside a SCIF, no agency has been able to substantiate the claims David Grusch made in last year's hearing.
None of them have been able to substantiate the claims made at this hearing last year by David Grush.
- Unverified
A massive drone swarm, with individual drones roughly 20 feet long flying over 100 mph at over 3,000 feet, flew over Langley Air Force Base, Virginia in December (per testimony, roughly a year before the hearing); the origin and operators remain unknown.
Reports of this incident indicate these drones were roughly 20 feet long, flying more than 100 miles an hour at an altitude of over 3,000 feet.
- Supported
Of 366 UAP sightings covered by AARO/ODNI's report, 171 remain uncharacterized, some showing unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities.
Of the 366 sightings included in the report, 171 remain uncharacterized, with some of these appearing to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics.
Our check Confirmed exactly against AARO's 2022 unclassified annual report: of 366 newly identified reports (on top of the 144-report 2021 baseline), 171 remained uncharacterized after initial multi-agency analysis, with some of those appearing to show unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities requiring further analysis.
Sources dni.gov, thedebrief.org
- Supported
AARO's March 2024 historical-record report covers government UAP investigatory effort from 1945 to the present.
In March, AARO revealed a report on the historical record of US Government involvement with UAPs, which covered investigatory effort going back from 1945 to the present day.
Our check AARO's Historical Record Report Volume 1 (released March 2024) explicitly reviewed official US government UAP-related investigatory activity from 1945 to the present, exactly as described, examining archival material and roughly 30 interviews.
Sources media.defense.gov
- Unverified
During a 2015 predeployment naval exercise, Gallaudet received an internal Navy safety-of-flight email warning of multiple near mid-air collisions with unidentified objects, with the 'Go Fast' FLIR video attached; the email vanished from all recipients' accounts the next day and was never discussed again.
The very next day that email disappeared from my account and those of the other recipients without explanation.
- Unverified
Former DoD official Chris Mellon told Gallaudet, in the week of the hearing, that satellite imagery of UAP from a few years earlier still has not been shared with Congress.
Just this week I learned from former DOD official Chris Mellon that satellite imagery of UAP from a few years ago still has not been shared with Congress.
- Unverified
UAP are real, advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government, and are monitoring sensitive US military installations globally; the US possesses UAP technologies, as do some adversaries.
Let me be clear, UAP are real. Advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe.
- Unverified
The Immaculate Constellation report describes UAP shapes including spheres, orbs, discs, saucers, ovals, triangles, boomerang, arrowhead, and irregular/organic forms.
The report to Congress details in detail various UAPs including spheres, orbs, discs, saucers, ovals, triangles, boomerang, arrowhead and irregular organic.
- Unverified
The Immaculate Constellation report describes an incident in which orbs surrounded and drove an F-22 out of its patrol area.
One involved orbs surrounding and [forcing] an F-22 out of its patrol area.
- Unverified
The crew of a Navy aircraft carrier watched a small orange-red sphere rapidly descend from 100-200 yards directly above the flight deck.
The crew of a Navy aircraft carrier watched a small orange red sphere rapidly descend from a high altitude of 100 to 200 yards directly above the flight deck.
- Unverified
A second, separate source told Shellenberger about a roughly 13-minute high-definition color video, found on the classified SIPRNet, showing a white orb UAP emerging from the ocean about 20 miles off Kuwait, filmed from a helicopter, later joined briefly by a second orb.
The person discovered the video on SIPR, the secure internet protocol router network which the DOD uses to transmit classified information.
- Unverified
The Naval Air Systems Command told FOIA researcher John Greenwald in March 2022 it had found no additional UAP videos beyond three; by September 2022 the Navy admitted UAP-related videos and photographs existed but denied release, citing sensitive-platform exemptions.
The naval air systems command in March 2022 stated they found no additional UAP videos... then in September 2022 the Navy admitted that the UAP related videos and photographs existed but denied the request in full.
- Unverified
The government has run secret UAP crash-retrieval programs designed to identify and reverse-engineer alien craft.
Has the government conducted secret UAP crash retrieval programs? Yes or no? Yes. Were they designed to identify and reverse-engineer alien craft? Yes.
- Unverified
Government employees have been injured by UAP, placed on leave, and are receiving government compensation for those injuries, per documentation Elizondo says he has seen.
I've seen the documentation by the US government for several of these individuals who have sustained injuries as a result of a UAP incident.
- Unverified
The Immaculate Constellation whistleblower report is credible because Shellenberger checked that the sources are who they claim to be and had the program name confirmed by more than one additional source, though he will not name them or their agency.
I checked the sources and they are who they say they are; they are current or former government officials... I also had the name of the program confirmed by more than one additional source.
- Unverified
Immaculate Constellation holds hundreds, possibly thousands, of high-resolution UAP images, videos, and other sensor data collected by the US military and intelligence community over a long period.
I've been told hundreds, you know, maybe thousands... there's very clear, high resolution [material], how many visuals, graphics, videos, photos.
- Unverified
Crew watch-standers on the USS Omaha, off Southern California within the last decade, observed a UAP with no observable exhaust or control surfaces that entered the water, exhibiting trans-medium travel.
What the watch standers on the bridge observed was a UAP... that had no observable exhaust or control surfaces... and then they saw it enter the water from the atmosphere.
- Supported
Earlier this year, AARO held what was billed as a 90-minute leadership meeting with Gallaudet that turned into an hours-long effort to convince him of the validity of AARO's historical-record report, question the validity of the Tic Tac incident (even suggesting it was American technology), and cast doubt on UAP whistleblowers.
What I thought would be a 90-minute meeting just to meet with leadership turned out to be an hours long influence operation on me.
Our check Matches Gallaudet's own sworn written and oral testimony to the November 13, 2024 House Oversight hearing almost verbatim: a meeting billed as a 90-minute leadership courtesy call with AARO's then-acting director turned into an hours-long session that Gallaudet characterized as an 'influence operation' attempting to convince him of the validity of AARO's historical-record report, to get him to question the Tic Tac incident (including floating that it might have been American technology), and to cast doubt on whistleblowers. This is a firsthand account from one participant and has not been independently corroborated from AARO's side beyond AARO's general public position (defending its report and characterizing some whistleblowers as caught in an 'insular echo chamber').
Sources docs.house.gov, foxnews.com
- Unverified
UAP sightings have a longstanding, documented relationship with sensitive US military installations, nuclear-related equities, and Department of Energy sites, going back decades, and this information has been obfuscated from Congress.
There is certainly some sort of relationship between sensitive US military installations, also some of our nuclear equities and also some of our Department of Energy sites... there is a long historical record.
- Unverified
The Pentagon's public affairs office employs a professional psychological-operations officer as the sole point of contact for UAP media/public inquiries, who has provided misleading and false information to discredit the topic, has personally targeted Elizondo, and previously worked with AARO's former leadership, which was rewarded with increased funding despite this.
That individual was also working with former leadership of Arrow at the time as well, and we punish them by giving them multi-million dollars more than they asked for every year.
- Unverified
Shellenberger's source told him, after his initial reporting, that the USAP (Immaculate Constellation) was managed by the Department of Defense but held at the White House; he has only one source for this and cannot verify it.
I was told that this program, the USAP, was actually managed by the Department of Defense but held at the White House... but that's a single source and I don't have multiple sources to verify that.
- Supported
The NASA UAP Independent Study Team's 2023 final report concluded that despite numerous accounts and visuals, the absence of consistent, detailed, curated observations means there is not yet enough data for definitive scientific conclusions about UAP.
Despite numerous accounts and visuals, the absence of consistent, detailed, and curated observations means we do not presently have the body of data needed to make definitive and scientific conclusions about UAP.
Our check Confirmed against the actual NASA UAP Independent Study Team final report (September 2023): it concluded that despite numerous accounts and visuals, the absence of consistent, detailed, calibrated, curated observations means there is not yet enough scientific data to draw definitive conclusions about UAP, and it attributed the mystery mainly to poor sensor calibration and missing metadata rather than to demonstrated extraordinary phenomena.
- Unverified
In the 1980s, on a nuclear ballistic-missile submarine, sonar detected an object matching the speed and closing rate of a Russian torpedo, which then slowed and followed the submarine in its wake for several minutes before rapidly exiting; nothing in known technology could replicate this, and it outpaced the submarine by orders of magnitude.
The object exhibited the characteristics of a Russian torpedo in terms of its speed of movement and closing rate with the submarine, and then it slowed and followed the submarine slowly in its wake.
- Unverified
UAP performance includes accelerations in excess of 1,000 to 3,000 G's, compared to a roughly 9 G human tolerance limit and an F-16's roughly 17-18 G structural failure limit.
The vehicles we're talking about are performing in excess of 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 Gs.
- Unverified
All four witnesses, when polled directly, say they believe some part of the federal government is knowingly concealing UAP evidence from the public.
Do you believe that the federal government, any part of the federal government, is knowingly concealing evidence about uaps from the public? Yes sir, 100%, yes, yes.
- Unverified
A document approved for release by the DoD's Office of Pre-Publication Security Review states that Elizondo's predecessor program tried to collect UAP material of unknown origin from an aerospace contractor in the 1950s (identified by committee questioning as Bigelow Aerospace); a transfer to the government via Lockheed Martin was allegedly blocked, and reportedly involved the CIA, per journalist Christopher Sharp's reporting.
There was an aerospace contract company that requested to divest itself of the material that was collected in the 1950s... unfortunately that didn't actually occur.
- Unverified
The US government has possession of what were described to Elizondo as recovered biological material/bodies, though the alleged original collection predates his own government tenure (and his birth), and he is not qualified to assess it as a medical matter.
Was this described that we have possession of bodies? Yes. Yes, we have possession... the problem is the supposed collection of these biological samples occurred before my time, in fact before I was even born.
- Unverified
UAP presence over restricted US airspace constitutes a form of non-verbal communication of intent and capability, analogous to scrambling jets against a Russian reconnaissance aircraft, and UAP have the ability to interfere with US nuclear equities and nuclear readiness.
They have the ability to even interfere with our nuclear equities and our nuclear readiness.
- Unverified
The Langley Air Force Base drone incident lasted over two weeks, and most of the panel (Gold indicates he learned via a colleague, Chris Mellon, who had written about prior incursions) first learned of the full scope from a Wall Street Journal article rather than internal DoD channels.
A colleague of mine who I referenced previously, Chris Mellon, he wrote an extensive article about this, that there were other incursions of drones over Langley before this as well as many military installations over the last five decades.
- Unverified
From 2020 to 2022 a Pentagon UAP Task Force, led by a person named (per the transcript's ASR rendering) 'J. Stratton,' pursued the first comprehensive whole-of-government approach to UAP, including pathways to declassification.
From 2020 to 2022 there was a UAP task force in the DOD... led by J Stratton, who had the first comprehensive whole government approach to UAP.
- Unverified
There are rumors reaching Congress of a secretive DoD project involving manipulation of human genetics with non-human genetic material, potentially for enhancement of human capabilities (hybrids); none of the four witnesses confirm awareness of it.
There are rumors that have come up to the hill of a secretive project within the Department of Defense involving the manipulation of human genetics with what is described as non-human genetic material.
- Unverified
The US works with foreign partners and allies on UAP-related intelligence, has publicly acknowledged (if not detailed) 'foreign material exploitation' programs, and assigns recovered material to contractors based on domain expertise (e.g., undersea propulsion work potentially going to General Dynamics).
We do have foreign material exploitation programs; that is something that is widely known. We do work with international partners and allies quite often.
- Unverified
During the 2015 exercise and its aftermath, Navy pilots -- friends of witness Ryan Graves -- experienced dozens of UAP encounters causing significant safety concerns, far beyond the single publicly released 'Go Fast' video that some debunkers dismiss as a balloon.
There are debunkers out there who have said the Go Fast video was just a balloon... there were dozens of these encounters that pilots, friends of Ryan Graves... witnessed.
- Unverified
UAP sightings cluster not only at Oak Ridge but also at the Savannah River Site and Los Alamos, and documentation on this has been submitted for the committee record; these sites are likely targeted because of the advanced R&D that originates there.
It's not just Oak Ridge, it's Savannah River Site, SRS, it's also Los Alamos. A lot of our sensitive R&D locations appear to be under some sort of surveillance and monitoring.
- Unverified
Executive-branch withholding of UAP information from Congress infringes on Congress's legislative and oversight responsibilities and 'may be the greatest issue of our time.'
This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it's being hid from you.
Topics
- UAP crash-retrieval programA classified government effort to recover, and reverse-engineer, physical UAP craft; Elizondo affirms under oath that such programs exist and were designed to identify and reverse-engineer the craft, without giving details.
- Non-human intelligenceAn intelligence, not of human origin (possibly biological or non-biological/artificial), inferred from UAP behavior such as anticipating maneuvers and evading interception.
- Unacknowledged special access programA DoD program so classified its existence itself is not officially acknowledged (a 'USAP'); Shellenberger describes 'Immaculate Constellation' as a parent USAP that consolidates UAP observations across sensors and platforms.
- Immaculate ConstellationA named unacknowledged special access program, described in a 12-page whistleblower document entered into the Congressional Record, said to hold imagery, signature, and human intelligence on UAP across decades.
- Trans-medium travelAn object observed moving between air and water (or other mediums) without visible transition mechanics, cited as evidence of anomalous performance.
- Recovered non-human biologicsClaimed physical biological material or bodies of non-human origin allegedly recovered and held by the US government, discussed anecdotally by Elizondo as predating his own tenure and even birth.
- Over-classification of UAP informationThe practice of classifying UAP-related material well beyond what national security requires, said by multiple witnesses to stem from Cold War habits, institutional discomfort admitting unanswered questions, and avoidance of embarrassment.
- UAP-nuclear-site correlationA claimed pattern of UAP sightings clustering near nuclear weapons sites, nuclear submarines, and Department of Energy R&D facilities (Oak Ridge, Savannah River Site, Los Alamos).
- Disinformation campaign against UAP whistleblowersAn alleged coordinated effort by elements of government, including a psychological-operations officer inside Pentagon public affairs, to discredit UAP whistleblowers with false information and personal attacks.
- Foreign material exploitation programA publicly acknowledged category of DoD program for analyzing recovered foreign (including allegedly non-human) materials; Elizondo says its existence and unclassified name are widely known, though operational detail is sensitive.
- Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS) for UAPAn existing NASA-administered, FAA-funded confidential, non-punitive pilot safety-reporting system, recommended by the NASA UAP Independent Study Team as the mechanism for civilian pilots to report UAP without stigma.
- Sensor biasThe tendency for reported UAP data to skew toward military and restricted airspace simply because that is where sensors and reporting infrastructure are concentrated, obscuring the true extent of civilian-airspace activity.
- Instantaneous acceleration (UAP performance observable)An observed UAP flight characteristic -- extreme G-force acceleration/deceleration far beyond human tolerance or airframe limits -- used by Elizondo as evidence the craft are not conventional or crewed by unprotected humans.
- UAP task force organizational lineageThe succession of DoD offices tasked with UAP investigation -- AATIP, the UAP Task Force (2020-2022, led by 'Stratton'), and AARO -- described as an evolving but still troubled institutional effort.
- Tic Tac incidentThe 2004 encounter (referenced as a touchstone case, previously testified to by witness David Fravor) that Gallaudet says AARO officials tried to convince him was misidentified or American technology.
- Go Fast videoThe declassified FLIR video from a Navy F/A-18, attached to the 2015 safety-of-flight email Gallaudet received, showing an object with flight and structural characteristics unlike anything in the US arsenal.
- Congressional oversight of classified UAP programsThe constitutional and statutory requirement that Congress be informed of executive branch and IC operations; witnesses argue UAP programs violate this by operating in secret from Congress.
- Rumored human-non-human hybridization programAn unconfirmed rumor, raised by Rep. Boebert, of a secretive DoD project manipulating human genetics with non-human genetic material for enhancement; no witness confirms awareness.
- Implicit non-verbal communication with UAPElizondo's framing of UAP presence over restricted airspace as a form of intent-signaling analogous to military posturing, rather than literal dialogue.
- Transparency-versus-national-security balanceThe recurring tension between disclosing UAP information to build public trust and protecting sources, methods, and defensive vulnerabilities.
- Legacy UAP programA term used (per Rep. Burchett's document request) for older, unacknowledged UAP-related programs predating current oversight structures, distinct from AARO.
- Whistleblower retaliationAlleged targeting of UAP whistleblowers with unwarranted investigations, harassment, threats to careers, security clearances, and personal safety.
- UAP Disclosure ActProposed legislation, modeled on the JFK Records Act, to create a UAP Records Review Board with eminent-domain-style authority to compel release of UAP-related material.
- Government concealment of UAP evidenceThe consensus position among all four witnesses, stated as a direct yes/no poll, that some part of the federal government is knowingly withholding UAP evidence from the public.