Joe Rogan: The Truth About Aliens (He Finally Says It)

Rogan reports a very vivid dream, told on air a few weeks earlier, in which tall, slender, humanlike beings talked to him, first scared him and then signalled they were only playing, and told him to relax; he woke around 3 a.m. and could not go back to sleep, which he says has never happened to him after a dream.

very slender, tall humanlike things that were talking to me

Rogan says the dream setting was a strangely lit corridor with water and a reptilian element, in which the beings monitored and fed creatures held back by flimsy barriers; he reads it, tentatively, as a message that humanity's protection is more precarious than we think, and adds that this part was more dreamlike than the conversation itself.

they had barriers that were very sloppy that were keeping these things out

Rogan describes the dream beings as tall and slim, with larger eyes and a larger head than normal humans and a very small jaw, smiling, 'genderless', wearing a suit the same colour as their skin, and not like the grey in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

larger eyes than a normal human and a larger head

Rogan says he does not think he was abducted or even contacted, that the dream may simply have been vivid because he is steeped in the UAP subject, and (at the end, t=10980) that it was 'most likely just a dream' because nothing physical happened in his room.

I don't think I got abducted

Rogan guesses the dream beings may be future humans, on the reasoning that hominid heads have grown and bodies slimmed as physical need declines, and he later says his dream suggested humans will 'become another thing'.

they seemed like what we will be

Rogan says he has never seen a UAP; as a child he thought he might have, but it was probably a fighter jet. His interest was rebuilt by Project Blue Book, J. Allen Hynek, Philip Corso and Roswell reading, and then the Jeremy Corbell Bob Lazar documentary.

unfortunately I never saw anything

Rogan says that since Bob Lazar's 1989 account (his interview episode is, Rogan thinks, around 63 million YouTube views) more has come out that substantiates it, including his Los Alamos employment, the gravity-manipulating craft design and the propulsion, and 'what we're hearing over and over again' from whistleblowers and Hal Puthoff.

more and more has come out that substantiates what he said

In a clip, Lazar recounts that archived Los Alamos coverage naming him as a physicist and the lab phone directory helped establish he worked there, and that he took George Knapp's film crew into Los Alamos to show where he worked.

Bob Lazar a physicist working here at Los Alamo

Rogan says Area 51 was not officially acknowledged until the Obama administration, which he says wanted to widen the exclusion zone because too many people were filming craft on non-secure land.

wasn't even confirmed until the Obama administration

Rogan says a friend is making a documentary with Lazar called Project Gravitar and predicts it will corroborate Lazar, including that the S4 site at Area 51 is real; he says satellite images of S4's hangars exist.

I think we're going to find out that S4 is very real

Michels, who says he interviewed Dan Farah the day before, says Farah's documentary The Age of Disclosure contains almost no UFO footage and consists mainly of senior intelligence and political figures speaking, naming James Woolsey, James Clapper and John Brennan among them, with Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer also appearing.

extremely high level people like Woolsey and James Clapper

Michels relays that Dan Farah firmly believes both the United States and China have retrieved crashed vehicles and are running separate reverse-engineering programs in a race.

He firmly believes that both the United States and China has retrieved these crashed vehicles

Rogan (or Michels; the speaker turn is unclear) says Marco Rubio's concern is that China will develop recovered-craft technology first, and that the US can only catch up by removing the ridicule that has kept the subject closed.

I think what Rubio is concerned with is that China develops this technology first

Rogan argues the UAP subject has long been stigmatised, using Whitley Strieber as the example of an author dismissed as a kook for writing about abduction, and says senior officials such as Rubio speaking openly is 'slowly but surely' removing the ridicule.

everybody like sort of dismisses him as a kook in the real literature world

Rogan says that Marco Rubio, speaking about the subject, has described vehicles the size of a football field moving through the ocean at 500 knots whose destination is unknown.

vehicles the size of a football field that are moving through the ocean at 500 knots

In a clip introduced by Rogan as something Tim Burchett 'recently said', Burchett says sightings are more frequent around five or six deep-water areas of the oceans, from which, Rogan says, the objects emerge regularly.

We have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six

Rogan argues disclosure will require an amnesty, because after decades without oversight there was, he assumes, lying to Congress, misappropriated money and defence-contractor advantage, and gatekeepers will keep gatekeeping while they fear jail.

they're going to need some sort of an amnesty

Michels says that, whatever one thinks of the intelligence community's motives, national security explains why a recovered-craft effort might now be opened up: it is an arms race, a 'Manhattan Project 2.0', in which the first project optimised payload and the new one something else.

this might be the Manhattan Project 2.0

Rogan argues the AI race is connected to the supposed recovered-craft programs because artificial general superintelligence, once it can improve itself, may work out how to reverse engineer craft and invent new power sources, making AI 'the legitimate gateway to the cosmos'.

I feel like that is the legitimate gateway to the cosmos

Rogan says Google's quantum chip solved in minutes an equation that the world's supercomputers would need about 2.6 billion years for, and (quoting Marc Andreessen) that it is so hard that converting every atom in the universe to a computer would not finish before heat death; he adds that Google people said the multiverse must exist to explain it.

I think it was 2.6 six billion years to solve and it's solved it in a matter of minutes

Michels relays that podcaster Matthew Pines told him a CIA contact described AI, quantum computing and 'the Grusch stuff' as a triangle, and asks whether the simultaneous convergence of AI, quantum and UAP disclosure with deepfakes is a coincidence.

it's a triangle AI quantum and the grush stuff

Rogan says he believes all lives are tied together toward one goal, the advancement of the human species, that this has 'the echoes of religious texts', and that the simultaneity of UAP disclosure with deepfakes is 'all on purpose', part of the experience.

I think we are all purposely building towards something

Rogan reads the Book of Enoch story of the Watchers who came down, bred with humans and created the Nephilim as an ancient description of genetic engineering by advanced beings, recalled badly by pre-literate people.

doesn't that sound like genetic engineering

Michels says a recent Rogan guest (the transcript reads 'hell put up', possibly Hal Puthoff) wrote a paper on 'ultraterrestrials', beings who may have survived the Younger Dryas cataclysm and now hold advanced technology in underwater and lunar bases, which would be what people see.

Maybe those survivors have underwater bases, bases on the moon

Rogan says he does not believe the simple evolutionary timeline from ancient hominids to humans because it happened 'too quick', citing the doubling of cranial size over a couple of million years, and concludes humans were genetically engineered.

I think we're genetically engineered

Michels says unidentified craft show up at all of the United States' nuclear sites.

They're showing up at nuclear sites which they do at all of our nuclear sites

Rogan says the reason aliens have not made open contact is that they are waiting for AI, because he does not think humans will become less violent; Michels adds that they show up at nuclear sites 'at all of our nuclear sites' but are waiting for humans to evolve.

I think they're waiting for AI

Michels asks whether psychedelics are alien technology, linking the Telepathy Tapes (Ky Dickens) and Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, in which, he says, aliens first communicate with non-verbal autistic children, and contrasts a psychedelic 'network' with a 'mark of the beast' bio-authoritarian implant network.

are psychedelics alien technology to get us to naturally

Rogan answers that he would not call psilocybin and DMT alien technology, but that they have a function in human life like vitamin C or electrolytes, that the prohibition rests on a philosophy opposed to the unity and ego death they induce, and that the people he considers kindest have all taken them.

I wouldn't say it's like alien technology

Rogan says Elon Musk, who holds a top-secret clearance because he works with NASA, must know what the UFO secrets are and cannot say so while his rocket business depends on government work; he calls Musk 'a sly dog'.

you can't defy the government if you want enormous grants

Michels says that in 1975 Neil Armstrong brought a BBC film crew to explore the Tayos cave in Ecuador, where Erich von Daniken's Chariots of the Gods placed ancient alien metal artifacts, and calls it fascinating that Armstrong took the alien-cave lore seriously.

His second mission is on land trying to find this Teaos cave

In a clip, Ben Van Kerkwyk (Uncharted X) says a scan of the Hawara 'labyrinth' under the Faiyum shows a free-standing, unidentified metallic object about 40 m long and tic-tac-shaped in a central atrium; Rogan jokes it is a UFO and says a dam diverted water into the labyrinth.

it's about 40 m long and it seems to be tic tac shaped

Rogan says the scans Michels showed of three-fingered ('tridactyl') mummies from Peru, with ligaments, bones and tendons visible, convince him they are real beings and that the specimens can be studied genetically.

you see the ligaments and the bones and the tendon structure

Michels says Peru introduced a bill banning the study of ancient biological specimens, probably in response to his video, and that after visiting the mummies he got sick for a few weeks and felt it 'broke my ego'.

Peru just put up a bill saying that you can't study ancient biological specimens

Rogan says the tridactyl mummies, with the slender, large-headed, large-eyed form people keep reporting, may be evidence of another species sharing the planet, perhaps a breakaway population living in the ocean.

we might have actual evidence that there's another species that shares this planet with us

Rogan answers the question of who runs the government by saying it is money and the corporations that fund the machine, and that UAP disclosure faces the same blockage as the Epstein files.

It's the amount of money they would lose if truth is exposed in a bunch of different areas

Rogan says the House vote to release the Epstein files was 'about 470 to 1', with one dissenter.

The fact that it was 471 or 470 and one dude

Michels says Guy Banister, who owned the New Orleans building where Oswald operated, had been a prominent FBI figure who ran the bureau's UFO files, 'the real X-Files', and that Fred Crisman, tied to the 1947 Maury Island incident near Kenneth Arnold's sighting, was one of the 'three hobos' arrested after the assassination.

Guy Banister, who was a very prominent FBI guy who ran the X-Files at the time

In a clip from Michels' interview, a JFK adviser identified by Michels as Harold Malmgren (89 years old; transcript spelling 'Malgrren') says UFOs may have been the number one issue behind JFK's death, while first calling it 'pure speculation until we see'.

I think it was probably the number one issue

Michels says lawyer Danny Sheehan names David Morales and other Cuban exiles reactivated by Allen Dulles as the shooters on the grassy knoll.

he names the two guys on the grassy null

Michels relays a magazine story that Richard Nixon and Jackie Gleason went drinking, flew to Homestead Air Force Base, and Gleason saw a recovered crashed craft and alien bodies in freezers, after which he became a UFO enthusiast and built a UFO-shaped house.

I don't think it's been substantiated

Michels says David Grusch has said Dick Cheney (who died in November 2025) headed the UFO program; Rogan replies that Grusch said this to his friend, the reporter Walter Kirn.

David Grush has come out saying Cheney who just died was head of the UFO program

In a clip (speaker not named; probably Walter Kirn), a reporter says he asked a high-level UFO whistleblower who sits at the top of the classified UFO pyramid, expecting something exotic, and the whistleblower said Dick Cheney.

he said Dick Cheney

Michels says he has uncovered a lot around Henry Kissinger being involved in UFO matters, and wonders whether Kissinger was beholden to the Rockefellers rather than Nixon and helped undermine Nixon.

I've uncovered a lot around Kissinger actually being involved in the UFO stuff

Michels says he just interviewed the president of the Russian republic of Kalmykia, former president of the World Chess Federation for 25 years, who says he was abducted by aliens while in office, and that the beings he describes resemble Rogan's dream.

he got abducted by aliens while he was sitting president

In a clip, the interviewee says he saw the craft only from inside: a space several football fields large, with big screens or glass sheets, and beings who looked 'slightly Asian'; he says he later told Kissinger and Gorbachev, and Kissinger seemed to already know.

It was a large space, like several football fields large

Michels says he has Ilyumzhinov's staff on record saying they entered his room, found his clothes missing and could not find him for 30 to 60 minutes, then he walked out of a room they had already searched.

We went into his room, his clothes were missing, and we couldn't find him anywhere

In a clip, Travis Walton says that after running toward the craft in 1975 and falling to avoid it, he stood up 8 to 10 feet from the surface and was hit by an energy discharge; Rogan says his co-workers took polygraph tests and he reappeared five days later bearded.

that was when the energy discharge happened

Michels relays that Diana Pasulka reads St Francis's 1224 vision at Mount La Verna, a flaming torch in the original text, as an encounter whose stigmata were probably electromagnetic burns, and that Garry Nolan in The Age of Disclosure is examining biological effects of UAP encounters; he says Jacques Vallee documents similar stories from the 1700s and 1800s.

actually the stigmata he received is probably electromagnetic burns

Rogan says he sees scripture, including Adam and Eve and the serpent, as an ancient relaying of real history, probably of genetic manipulation of the first humans; he says he now attends a church, finds its members the nicest people, and that nobody, including whoever told his daughter how Revelation will play out, can know how the world ends.

I assume that that is a recounting of a genetic manipulation

Rogan says children inherit inclinations and abilities that were never taught (his children's early aptitude for martial arts), and suggests humans may carry information from a lost technological age, so inventions are 'rediscovered' because they are inside us.

stuff your kids are getting from you that you didn't even teach them

Rogan predicts contact or disclosure will happen within their lifetimes, slowly but radically, alongside other upheavals; once AI becomes a deceptive, thinking life form, 'there's already an alien amongst us', which will open the door to contact with tridactyl ocean dwellers or beings from another dimension or galaxy.

it probably will happen within our lifetime and it'll probably happen slowly but radically

Rogan says contact and AI together will be 'the end of us as we know it' because humans will become another kind of being, which is what he thinks the dream was showing him.

I think we're going to become whatever those things are

Rogan says the felt meaning of the dream was that beings were deliberately easing him into contact, which is why they scared him and then played; he says nothing similar has happened since, though each night he wonders if it will.

the feeling I got was a feeling of someone was trying to get me used to this