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House Intelligence subcommittee holds a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, 5/17/22

Channel
CNBC Television
Length
1 h 20 min
Format
Panel
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Timeline of 27 claims across 20 chapters; 1 checked.

Summary

In this open portion of a House Intelligence Subcommittee hearing (17 May 2022), Under Secretary of Defense Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray describe the Navy-led UAP Task Force (established August 2020) and the new DoD office being stood up to take over its work, and answer member questions about the June 2021 ODNI preliminary assessment (144 reports, 2004-2021). They report the task force database has grown to roughly 400 reports, that most represent physical objects but a small number show unexplained flight characteristics or possible signature management, and that no non-terrestrial material or emanations have been detected. Two videos are reviewed: an unresolved spherical object recorded near an F/A-18 cockpit, and 'triangle' UAP videos that are assessed (with reasonable confidence) to be drones photographed through night-vision goggles. Witnesses decline or defer many specifics (foreign-adversary comparisons, underwater sensors, weapons-development impact, further Malmstrom detail) to a closed session held afterward, and repeatedly frame their approach as data-driven rather than anecdotal.

We publish a summary, chapters, the claims and short quotes. The transcript itself is never published.

Speakers

  • André CarsonHost
  • Ronald MoultrieUnder Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security
  • Scott BrayDeputy Director of Naval Intelligence
  • Adam SchiffChairman, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (full committee)
  • Rick CrawfordRanking Member, House Intelligence Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence and Counterproliferation
  • Jim HimesMember, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
  • Mike GallagherMember, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
  • Darin LaHoodMember, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
  • Peter WelchMember, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
  • Raja KrishnamoorthiMember, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
  • Brad WenstrupMember, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

Claims

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  • Unverified3:02Adam SchiffUnsourced

    Some UAP are measured by multiple instruments simultaneously (not merely perceived by the human eye) and appear to move in ways inconsistent with known physics or science more broadly.

    there is something there measurable by multiple instruments and yet it seems to move in directions that are inconsistent with what we know of physics or science more broadly

  • Unverified9:08Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    The UAP Task Force was established in August 2020, directed by then-Deputy Secretary of Defense David Norquist, within the Department of the Navy, building on the Navy's earlier efforts to respond to aviator reports of unidentified objects in training ranges.

    almost two years ago in august of 2020 deputy secretary defense nordquist directed the establishment of the unidentified aerial phenomena task force within the department of the navy

  • Unverified13:13Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    The UAP Task Force's database has grown to approximately 400 reports, up from the 144 covered in the June 2021 ODNI preliminary assessment.

    the uap task force database has now grown to contain approximately 400 reports the stigma has been reduced

  • Unverified13:13Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    ODNI's model for resolving UAP incidents sorts them into five potential explanatory categories: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, U.S. government/industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, or an 'other' catch-all bin.

    if and when individual uap incidents are resolved they likely fall into one of five potential explanatory categories airborne clutter natural atmospheric phenomena us government or u.s industry developmental programs foreign adversary systems or a other bin

  • Unverified15:14Scott W. BrayMulti sensor

    Two triangle-shaped-object videos, recorded off different coasts in different years, are assessed with 'reasonable confidence' to be unmanned aerial systems (drones); the triangular appearance results from an artifact of viewing the light source through night-vision goggles recorded by an SLR camera. The second incident was corroborated by other Navy assets that independently observed unmanned systems nearby.

    we're now reasonably confident that these triangles correlate to unmanned aerial systems in the area the triangular appearance is a result of light passing through the night vision goggles and then being recorded by an slr camera

  • Unverified18:16André CarsonUnsourced

    A shared concern among committee members is that the executive branch, under administrations of both parties, has focused public attention on easily-explained UAP events while avoiding discussion of events that cannot be explained.

    one of congress's concerns is that the executive branch in administration of both parties has been sweeping concerns about uaps under the rug by focusing on events that can be explained and avoiding events that cannot be explained

  • Unverified28:25Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    DoD has a formal reporting protocol for aviators: after landing, the pilot preserves sensor data, files a detailed report (location, altitude, speed, observations, sensor data) with their intelligence officer, and the report routes both to the operational chain of command and to the UAP Task Force database, sometimes triggering aviator follow-up interviews.

    the first thing that aviator would do after landing as a part of their normal debriefing is they would contact their intelligence officer... that report is filed it goes two places

  • Unverified33:17Scott W. BraySingle sensor

    A spherical, reflective object was recorded passing near the cockpit of a U.S. Navy F/A-18 in a training range; Bray states DoD has no explanation for this specific object.

    what you see here is aircraft that is operating in a u.s navy training range that has observed a spherical object in that area and as they fly by it they take a video i do not have an explanation for what this specific object is

  • Supported34:18Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    Of the 144 UAP reports in the 2021 ODNI preliminary assessment (2004-2021), roughly 80 were recorded on multiple sensors/instruments.

    for the majority of incidents we had in last year's report the majority had multi-sensor data

    Our check Confirmed against the actual ODNI Preliminary Assessment (June 25, 2021): of the 144 reports reviewed (Nov 2004-March 2021), 80 involved observation with multiple sensors, which the task force cited as increasing confidence that the objects were physical rather than sensor artifacts.

    Sources odni.gov

  • Unverified35:20Raja KrishnamoorthiOfficial document

    Of the 144 reports, 18 incidents reportedly exhibited unusual flight characteristics: remaining stationary in winds aloft, moving against the wind, maneuvering abruptly, or moving at considerable speed without discernible means of propulsion.

    of those 144 18 of them reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics appear to demonstrate advanced technology

  • Unverified36:23Scott W. BrayUnsourced

    DoD/ODNI is not aware of any foreign adversary capable of moving an object without a discernible means of propulsion.

    i would say that we're not aware of any adversary that can move an object without discernible means of propulsion

  • Unverified36:23Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    A small number of unresolved UAP cases show 'signature management', an apparent effort to manage or hide the object's sensor signature, that DoD cannot explain with current data.

    there's certainly some degree of something that looks like signature management that we have seen from some of these uap

  • Unverified37:23Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    The UAP Task Force is aware of studies that flew a drone and filmed it with the same night-vision-goggles-plus-SLR-camera setup to test whether the triangular appearance could be reproduced, supporting the drone explanation.

    the uap task force is aware of studies that have done that

  • Unverified42:28Ronald MoultrieSecondhand

    China has established its own version of a UAP task force, and a number of countries have reported observations of unexplained airspace objects; the U.S. shares data with some allies and receives data from some (not all) foreign parties who have publicly reported such objects.

    china has established its own version of a uap task force so clearly a number of countries have observations of things in the airspace that they can't identify

  • Unverified46:33Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    The UAP Task Force has detected no material and no emanations within its holdings that would suggest a non-terrestrial origin for any reported UAP.

    we have no material we have detected no emanations within the uap task force that that would suggest it's anything non-terrestrial in origin

  • Unverified49:36Ronald MoultrieOfficial document

    Moultrie and Bray are not aware of any official DoD or DoD-contractor UAP-related program between the end of Project Blue Book and the start of AATIP, nor of any current contractual/programmatic technology effort on UAP beyond the Navy Task Force and the incoming new office.

    i haven't seen other documented studies that have been done by dod in that regard... not aware of anything that's official that was done in between those two

  • Unverified50:37Mike GallagherSecondhand

    A publicly circulated account holds that at Malmstrom Air Force Base, 10 U.S. nuclear ICBMs were rendered inoperable at the same time a glowing red orb was observed overhead; Bray states this incident is not within UAP Task Force holdings and that he has only 'heard stories,' with no official data.

    one such incident allegedly occurred at malmstrom air force base in which 10 of our nuclear icbms were rendered inoperable at the same time a glowing red orb was observed overhead

  • Unverified52:40Mike GallagherSecondhand

    A document referred to as the 'Admiral Wilson memo' (or 'EW notes memo'), reportedly describing a former DIA director's account of being denied fuller access to a UAP-related contractor program, was raised; Moultrie and Bray say they are not personally aware of it, and it was entered into the hearing record by unanimous consent.

    are you aware of a document that appeared around 2019 sometimes called the admiral wilson memo or ew notes memo in which a former head of dia claims to have had a conversation with the doctor eric wilson

  • Unverified53:40Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    There have been no collisions between U.S. assets and UAP, but at least 11 near misses.

    we have not had a collision we've had at least 11 near misses though and maybe we'll talk about those

  • Unverified54:41Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    No communications or signals emanating from UAP have been detected, and the U.S. has not attempted to communicate with any of them.

    there's no communications or any kind of communication signals that emanate from those objects that we've detected

  • Unverified55:42Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    The UAP Task Force holds no wreckage that is inconsistent with being of terrestrial origin.

    the uap task force doesn't have any wreckage that isn't explainable that isn't consistent with being of terrestrial origin

  • Unverified56:43Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    Most UAP reports 'probably' represent physical objects, but Bray cannot say with 100% certainty that all reported UAP are physical objects; some could be sensor anomalies or meteorological phenomena.

    i can say with certainty that a number of these are physical objects okay so there we can't rule out that some of them may not be physical objects

  • Unverified1:01:49Ronald MoultrieUnsourced

    There is no established legal or regulatory deterrent for individuals or groups who spread unsubstantiated or manufactured UAP claims; Moultrie states DoD has no example of anyone held legally accountable for such misinformation.

    i can't give you any examples where somebody's been legally held liable for putting something out there

  • Unverified1:08:58Ronald MoultrieUnsourced

    In the roughly three to four months before this hearing, the Intelligence Community and Department of Defense disclosed more information on UAP-related events than in the previous ten years combined.

    just over the last three four months i think that the intelligence community and the national defense apparatus have disclosed more information on various events than it has probably see the previous 10 years

  • Unverified1:09:59Scott W. BrayMulti sensor

    The 2004 Nimitz incident remains unresolved and is offered by Bray as the clearest example of a UAP encounter that cannot be attributed to a known human-made or natural object.

    the example that i would say that is still unresolved that i think everyone understands quite well as the 2004 incident from nimitz we have data on that and it simply remains unresolved

  • Unverified1:11:59Scott W. BrayOfficial document

    In a small number of cases, military aircraft sensors detected radio-frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings, and at least some of the RF-emitting cases were not otherwise behaving unusually.

    in a small number of cases military aircraft systems processed radio frequency energy associated with uap sightings... at least some that we have detected rf emissions from were not behaving oddly otherwise

  • Unverified1:16:05Ronald MoultrieOfficial document

    DoD maintains a deconfliction process to check whether a reported UAP might actually be a secret/developmental U.S. ('blue-on-blue') platform, and states that in past reporting only 'one or two data points' may have leaked through without being deconflicted.

    we're very conscious of the potential blue on blue issue or u.s on u.s and so we've established relationships with organizations and entities... to deconflict activities

Topics

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  • UAP Task ForceA Department of the Navy-led office established in August 2020 to standardize the collection, analysis and reporting of UAP data; its database has grown from 144 reports (June 2021) to approximately 400.
  • Destigmatization of reportingA deliberate effort to remove the cultural stigma that discouraged military personnel from reporting UAP encounters, credited with driving the rise in reports.
  • Multi-sensor corroborationConfirming a UAP sighting via more than one independent sensor (radar, infrared, visual/EO) rather than a single instrument or witness account; cited as the majority pattern in the 2021 report.
  • Data-driven vs. narrative-based approachThe task force's stated shift from an anecdotal/narrative-based investigative method toward rigorous, sensor-calibrated data collection and engineering analysis.
  • Signature managementAn apparent effort by an object to manage, mask or hide its sensor signature, inferred from a small subset of unresolved cases.
  • Five-bin explanatory frameworkODNI's five-category model for resolving UAP incidents: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, U.S. government/industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, or an unexplained 'other' bin.
  • Unknown unknownsAn intelligence framework for actively searching for undetected threats or objects across all domains (air, space, ground, sea), into which UAP work is being normalized.
  • Blue-on-blue deconflictionA process to check whether a reported UAP might actually be a secret or developmental U.S. platform before treating it as genuinely unidentified.
  • Classification vs. transparency balanceThe stated tension between protecting sensitive sources, methods and capabilities and the department's commitment to public transparency about UAP.
  • Night-vision-goggle triangle artifactAn optical artifact in which point light sources (e.g. on drones) appear triangular when viewed through night-vision goggles and recorded with a single-lens-reflex camera.
  • RF emissions analysisUsing detected radio-frequency emissions from or near an object to infer possible remote control, jamming, or communication activity.
  • Sensor calibration for UAP detectionAn effort to recalibrate existing DoD sensors, designed for other purposes, specifically to capture the size, speed and behavior profile typical of UAP reports.

Cases discussed

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