Historic Senate Hearing on #UAP & #AARO, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick Testifies #EmergingThreats #Disclosure
- Channel
- UAPsee
- Length
- 60 min
- Format
- Panel
- Speakers
- Kirsten Gillibrand, Sean Kirkpatrick, Joni Ernst, Jacky Rosen, Unidentified senator A, Unidentified senator B, and 1 more
- Claims checked
- 2 of 32
Summary
This is the Senate Armed Services Committee's Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities hearing of 19 April 2023, chaired by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, with AARO Director Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick as the sole witness. Kirkpatrick describes AARO's mandate, staffing, and five-step scientific-and-intelligence-tradecraft process for resolving UAP cases, and walks through two declassified drone-sensor videos (one unresolved, one resolved as a sensor artifact over a commuter aircraft). He states on the record that AARO has found no credible evidence to date of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy known physics. Senators press him on case-resolution numbers (over 650 cases tracked, roughly half prioritized as potentially anomalous, only a handful fully resolved), historical Navy near-miss data, funding shortfalls, AARO's ambiguous reporting chain, a still-pending public witness-disclosure portal, and AARO's limited role in the February 2023 North American objects response. The hearing is almost entirely about process and policy, not object-level evidence of anomalous phenomena; its main content is meta-level, describing how AARO collects, filters, and adjudicates UAP reports.
We publish a summary, chapters, the claims and short quotes. The transcript itself is never published.
Speakers
- Kirsten GillibrandHostChair, Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
- Sean KirkpatrickDirector, All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO)
- Joni ErnstRanking Member, Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
- Jacky RosenMember, Senate Armed Services Committee
- Unidentified senator AMember, Senate Armed Services Committee (not named on this audio track)
- Unidentified senator BMember, Senate Armed Services Committee (not named on this audio track)
- Unidentified senator CMember, Senate Armed Services Committee (not named on this audio track)
Claims
- Supported
The President's FY2023 and FY2024 budget requests for AARO included only enough funding to cover the office's operating expenses, with almost no funds for research and development; it took a letter from Senators Rubio, Gillibrand and 14 other senators to Secretary Austin to secure temporary funding relief for the current fiscal year.
the president's budget for fiscos 23 and 24 requested only enough funding to defay the operating expenses of Arrow. It included almost no funds to sustain the critical research and development necessary.
Our check Confirmed: Senators Rubio and Gillibrand led a February 16, 2023 letter to Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks (and the Principal Deputy DNI) warning that the FY2023 budget request covered only AARO's basic operating expenses with no R&D funding, and that the FY2024 request looked similarly inadequate. Fourteen other senators joined Rubio and Gillibrand (16 total), matching the claim's count, and the letter did secure temporary funding relief.
Sources kelly.senate.gov, executivegov.com, gillibrand.senate.gov
- Unverified
During the February 2023 shoot-downs of objects over North America, DoD publicly disclosed that sensor/radar filters were adjusted (opened) to allow detection and tracking of a wider range of objects for the first time.
DoD disclo disclosed that filters on radar systems were adjusted to allow for detection and tracking of diverse sets of objects for the first time.
- Unverified
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense David Norquist stated that if UAP-associated objects had been labeled 'made in China,' there would have been a public and government uproar and a maximal effort to identify them, implying that UFO stigma has muted the actual government/public response.
Had any of these objects had the label made in China, there would be an uproar in the government and media. There would be no stone unturned and no effort spared to find out what we were dealing with.
- Unverified
AARO evolved organizationally from the Navy-led Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) into the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office.
your office evolved from the Navyled unidentified aerial phenomena task force to the all domain anomalous resolution office known as Arrow.
- Unverified
AARO's team is made up of more than three dozen experts, organized into four functional areas: operations, scientific research, integrated analysis, and strategic communications.
The Arrow team of more than three dozen experts is organized around four functional areas: operations, scientific research, integrated analysis, and strategic communications.
- Unverified
AARO was established by DoD in July 2022, and as of the April 2023 hearing had been operating for approximately nine months.
the DoD's establishment of the all domain anomaly resolution office in July of last year.
- Unverified
AARO has found no credible evidence to date of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics.
in our research, Arrow has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics.
- Unverified
In February 2023 the US shot down a PRC high-altitude surveillance balloon along with three other unidentified objects over North America.
We can look at the recent incursion of the unidentified PRC high altitude balloon for as an example.
- Unverified
About 52% of all UAP reported to AARO are described as round orb/sphere shapes.
Over half, about 52% of what's been reported to us are round orb spheres.
- Unverified
Most AARO-reported UAP sightings occur in the 15,000-25,000 ft altitude range, reflecting where DoD aircraft and sensors operate rather than where UAP activity is necessarily most common.
most of our sightings occur in the 15 to 25,000 ft range. And that is ultimately because that's where a lot of our aircraft are.
- Unverified
AARO's typical reported UAP characteristics: mostly round, 1-4 meters, white/silver/translucent/metallic, altitude 10,000-30,000 ft, apparent velocity stationary to Mach 2, no thermal exhaust usually detected, intermittent radar/radio/thermal signatures.
mostly round mostly 1 to 4 meters white silver translucent metallic 10,000 to 30,000 ft with apparent velocities from stationary to Mach 2. No thermal exhaust usually detected.
- Unverified
The Middle East MQ-9 drone video of an apparent spherical object (via EO sensor) remains an unresolved case due to insufficient data.
It is going to be virtually impossible to fully identify that just based off of that video.
- Unverified
The South Asia MQ-9 case's apparent 'propulsion trail' behind a fast-moving object was a sensor readout/processing artifact (a 'shadow image'), not a real physical trail, and the object itself resolved into the infrared heat signature of a nearby commuter aircraft.
We pulled these apart frame by frame. We were able to demonstrate that that is essentially a readout uh overlap of the image. It's a it's a shadow image, right? It's not real.
- Unverified
As of the hearing (19 April 2023), AARO is tracking over 650 total UAP cases.
So, as of this week, uh we are tracking over total of 650 cases.
- Unverified
AARO's January 2023 public report cited roughly 366 cases, with about half (~150) assessed as likely balloon-like and about two dozen as drones.
the report in January basically said about half of the ones at that time, about 150 were balloon were likely balloon like or something like that.
- Unverified
About half of AARO's roughly 650 cases have been prioritized as showing potentially anomalous/interesting characteristics; of those, roughly 20-30 are about halfway through the five-step analytic process, and only a handful have completed peer review with signed case-closure reports.
I think we we're currently sitting at around if I remember correct, we were around 20 to 30ish are about halfway through that analytic process.
- Unverified
AARO's next quarterly report and its next annual report (moved up by Congress to June/July) will combine a number of outstanding reports into one.
Our next annual report um you all have uh given us uh moved it up to to June July.
- Unverified
Of the small subset of cases showing signatures of advanced technical capability (described as 'single percentages' of the total case population), Kirkpatrick has 'concerning indicators' suggesting some may relate to foreign (Chinese or Russian) capabilities, but no confirmed evidence.
I am concerned about what that nexus is and I indicators that some are related to foreign capabilities.
- Unverified
China is 'on par or ahead' of the US in some emerging technology areas relevant to this threat assessment, and China and Russia are less risk-averse about fielding advancing technical capabilities than the US.
there are emerging capabilities out there that that in many instances Russia and China, well China in particular are on par or ahead of us in some areas, right?
- Unverified
The Navy has officially acknowledged 11 near-miss incidents involving UAP between 2004 and 2021 that required pilot action and follow-up reports.
The Navy's officially acknowledged that between 2004 and 2021 11 near misses occurred involving UAPs that required pilot action and follow-up reports.
- Unverified
The Navy established a formal protocol in 2019 for pilots to report dangerous or anomalous UAP encounters.
in 2019 the Navy established a protocol for pilots to report on their dangerous encounters.
- Unverified
AARO currently operates under Title 10 authorities and states it needs additional authorities for cross-agency collection tasking and counterintelligence work.
There are some authorities that we need. We currently are operating under title 10 authorities but we have um you know good relationships across the other agencies.
- Unverified
A Sidewinder air-to-air missile, of the type fired from an F-22 to shoot down an unidentified object over US airspace, costs close to $500,000 each.
Sidewinders cost us close to half a million dollars each.
- Supported
AARO's office is administratively located within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security (OUSD I&S), but per the FY2023 NDAA it is not substantively subordinate to that office and instead reports directly to the Deputy Secretary of Defense.
your office is administratively located within the office of the under secretary of defense for intelligence security, but you're not substantively subordinate to the under secretary. Rather, you are a direct report to the deputy secretary.
Our check AARO is administratively a Direct Report Office under OUSD(I&S), but statute requires its Director to report directly to the Deputy Secretary of Defense (and the Principal Deputy DNI), with OUSD(I&S) providing only administrative support, not command authority. This matches the substance of Gillibrand's claim. Note: the specific reporting-chain language traces most directly to the FY23 Intelligence Authorization Act's provisions on AARO rather than being a standalone clause visible in NDAA summaries reviewed; the two acts were passed as a package and the distinction does not change the substantive finding.
Sources ousdi.defense.gov, en.wikipedia.org, congress.gov
- Unverified
As of the hearing, AARO had submitted the first version of its required public-facing safe-disclosure portal for superior approval before Christmas 2022, and had received no response or timeline as of mid-April 2023.
I have uh we submitted the first version of that before Christmas.
- Unverified
AARO has received referrals for and interviewed nearly two dozen witnesses so far under its NDA-safe-disclosure process for UAP witnesses and participants.
We've brought in uh nearly two dozen so far.
- Unverified
During the response to the North American objects incident (February 2023), AARO did not play a decision-making role beyond an initial situational assessment given to Joint Staff leadership; the response decisions themselves were made by the White House.
we did not play a role in what you would respond other than that initial um you know advice on what we are seeing and how we are seeing it.
- Unverified
Roughly half of AARO's staff come from the intelligence community and half from scientific/technical backgrounds; AARO also has liaisons from NASA, FBI, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI), the military services, and DOE.
The I half of my staff come from the IC. Half of my staff come from uh other scientific and technical backgrounds. I have DOE.
- Unverified
Outside observers had speculated that DoD sensor filters were systematically eliminating unusually fast or slow objects from detection, and this speculation was borne out when DoD acknowledged opening filters during the February 2023 North American incidents.
outside observers has speculated that DoD sets filters on certain sensors to eliminate objects that are moving really fast or slow because what we are looking for militarily are conventional aircraft and missiles.
- Unverified
Kirkpatrick states that 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,' attributing the phrase to Carl Sagan in 1979, and adds his own extension that extraordinary claims also require 'extraordinary science.'
In 1979 Carl Sean said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I would go one step further and I would say extraordinary claims require not only extraordinary evidence but extraordinary science.
- Unverified
NASA's unclassified UAP data study explored whether existing civil sensor platforms (e.g. climate-science satellites) could help detect UAP, but found many such platforms lack sufficient resolution to detect objects in the 1-4 meter size range AARO typically reports.
the resolution of many of the climate science civil um science, you know, civil satellites was much larger than that, which means you'd have a hard time picking out something that's smaller than a pixel.
- Unverified
AARO is exploring public-private partnerships and crowdsourcing as additional future data sources to augment its classified sensor data.
We're exploring public private partnerships ma'am as you know we've talked about in the past to look at is there a way to smartly crowdsource additional data.
Topics
- All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO)The DoD office established by Congress in July 2022, leading the effort to characterize, understand and attribute UAP, with a direct reporting chain to the Deputy Secretary of Defense.
- UAP (unidentified anomalous phenomena) terminologyThe term Congress and DoD now use in place of 'UFO,' covering unidentified objects across all domains (air, sea, space, transmedium).
- AARO five-step case-resolution processIntake and case creation, preliminary triage/prioritization, parallel independent review by an intelligence-community team and a scientific/technical team, adjudication of disagreements, senior technical advisory group peer review, and a final director sign-off.
- Red team / blue team adjudicationParallel, independent analysis of the same case by an intelligence-community team and a science-and-technology team, with disagreements resolved through a joint adjudication session.
- Collection biasUAP reporting is geographically and altitude-clustered around where DoD sensors, training ranges and operational areas exist, not necessarily where UAP activity is actually most common.
- Sensor artifact misidentificationAn apparent physical feature of a UAP (such as a 'trail') that is actually a readout or processing artifact of the imaging sensor rather than a real feature of the object itself.
- SCP: "Somebody Else's Problem"AARO's operating principle that once a UAP is identified as a mundane object, responsibility for it is handed off to the appropriate law-enforcement, intelligence, or operational-safety authority rather than staying with AARO.
- Sensor filter / aperture problemDoD sensor systems are commonly configured with filters/thresholds tuned to track conventional aircraft and missiles, which can exclude unusually fast, slow, or otherwise anomalous objects from ever being detected or recorded.
- Extraordinary-evidence standardThe scientific standard Kirkpatrick says AARO applies to UAP claims: not only extraordinary evidence, but a rigorous, peer-reviewed scientific process ('extraordinary science') behind that evidence.
- Foreign nexus assessmentAARO's process for determining whether an anomalous-signature case can be attributed to an adversary nation's (Chinese or Russian) technology rather than to something unexplained.
- Typical reported UAP signature profileAARO's aggregate summary of the most commonly reported UAP characteristics across its case holdings.
- Title 10 authoritiesThe legal basis under which AARO currently operates; Kirkpatrick says AARO needs additional authorities beyond Title 10 for cross-agency collection tasking and counterintelligence work.
- AARO public safe-disclosure portalThe congressionally mandated, publicly discoverable process for UAP witnesses and government participants (including those bound by non-disclosure agreements) to report to AARO without fear of retribution.
- AARO self-obsolescence visionKirkpatrick's stated long-term goal: if AARO succeeds, its functions should be normalized into existing DoD/agency processes so a standalone UAP office is no longer needed.
- NASA UAP independent studyA NASA-led study, supported by AARO, examining whether unclassified civil data sources could augment AARO's classified sensor data for UAP detection.
- Natural-language-processing case-trend analysisApplying natural-language-processing tools across AARO's case reports to detect commonalities (e.g. shared shape descriptions, maneuvering behavior) across the whole case set.
- Automatic target recognition algorithmsAlgorithms AARO is developing from cross-correlated sensor and pilot-report data, meant to automatically recognize the sensor signature associated with an observed UAP.
- Operator tactic-technique-and-procedure (TTP) reportingA planned standardized response procedure for military operators who spot a UAP: call the operations floor, which can then trigger additional sensor collection on the object.