Joe Rogan Experience #2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

Luna says that while she worked as an airfield manager at the Portland Air National Guard, F-15 pilots at the unit would not discuss an airspace incursion, and from their reluctance she gathered it was likely a UAP; she gives no date, no aircraft and no record.

there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard

Luna says one of the pilots, who per her recollection was taken off flight status and would not discuss it, said the unit could not identify the object and that it had outperformed them.

we couldn't really like identify it essentially and it had outperformed them

Luna says the House task force she runs was formed because of an incident at Eglin Air Force Base (transcribed 'Eglund'), where she, Rep. Matt Gaetz (transcribed 'Mates' and 'Gates') and Rep. Tim Burchett responded to multiple Air Force pilots who had come forward alleging the Air Force was covering up UAP incidents.

the reason why the task force was formed was because of a event that happened at Eglund Air Force Base

Answering Rogan's question whether the objects could be secret US vehicles, Luna says the US government has advanced technology held in the defense-contract realm, but that she has also seen something beyond what current physics allows.

I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has and I think that that that tech can be housed within the defense contract realm

Luna says that when she asked congressional hearing witnesses what the objects are, they keep answering 'interdimensional', and that this testimony is publicly available.

I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses you know what are these things and they keep saying interdimensional

Luna says with confidence that something exists that cannot currently be explained, and that the technology may rival current physics, comparing the gap to a cell phone dropped among cavemen.

there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently

Luna says she thinks the 'interdimensional beings' or 'energy things' can operate through the time-space we know, and says this comes from what the task force has seen and been told, not from her own idea.

I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have

Luna states she has not personally seen a portal open or a spaceship; her claims rest on documents, photographs and what witnesses told her.

have I seen a portal open? No.

Luna says very credible people have reported incidents involving movement outside of time and space, without going into classified conversations; Rogan notes this is very vague.

there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space

Luna says she and two other members of Congress were denied access at Eglin to information about whistleblowers, and were told they lacked the clearance or read-in authority for a special access program.

I with two other members of Congress were denied access to information at Eglund Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers

Luna says she has seen evidence and photo documentation of aircraft she believes were not made by mankind.

Have I seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes.

Luna says she believes certain defense contractors potentially have back-engineered non-human technology and that this could explain the advances being seen; she also believes the government has access to certain technology 'to an extent'.

I believe that certain contractors potentially have backgineered this tech.

Luna says that from photographs she viewed in a SCIF she is very confident that some objects were not created by mankind; she says she cannot discuss what else was in the SCIF.

based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind

Luna says that telling the thousands of people around the world who have reported something that they are crazy or psychologically unsound is itself a disinformation campaign to keep people quiet.

that in itself, you know, that's a disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it

Luna says that when J. Allen Hynek (transcribed 'Heinik') was running Project Blue Book its specific intention was to discredit all stories, yet after his investigations he came around to thinking the cases were interesting, and that the Blue Book reports are declassified and online.

when Jay Allen Heinik was running Project Blue Book, this specific intention was to discredit all stories

Luna suggests one motive for secrecy: if the technology exists, it could change entire governments' dependence on fossil fuel.

the ability for this tech being that it exists to change dependence for entire governments on things like fossil fuel

Luna says that until the last Congress, colleagues told her that merely saying UAP or UFO, or pursuing these investigations, would ruin her political career, and that this stigma has since lessened.

up until last Congress, if you even said the word UAP or UFO, people actually told us that if we went forward with these investigations that we were going to ruin our political careers

Luna says her congressional office is visited by people claiming they have been to Mars, have a chip in their brain, or hand over a USB drive, which is why she takes some accounts with a grain of salt.

I've had a lot of crazy people show up at my office and say, you know, I like I've heard it all.

Luna says the task force will ask for information it was shown to be declassified, because it belongs in the hands of the American people.

like to see the federal government roll out some of the stuff that we've been given access to

Luna says the task force is trying to arrange a Capitol Hill screening of a big documentary filmed about a year and a half ago; Rogan then names The Age of Disclosure, though it is not clear it is the same film.

there's a big documentary that was filmed about a year and a half ago and we're trying to get a screening up on Capitol Hill

Luna says her task force does not hold declassification authority and instead pushes agencies to release material; later she repeats that she has no declassification authority but has gotten wins and executive-branch cooperation.

even though we don't hold declassification authority, what we're trying to do is push these agencies

Luna offers a reason for secrecy: advisers may think the public cannot handle it, and it could rock people's faith, with the further problem of how to begin to explain it.

you have advisers that think that you know um the American people or humanity might not be able to handle it

Luna says people claim they can use a psychic ability to dog-whistle the objects in, and that she thinks there is something there because they supply some of the video evidence they have.

Otherwise, they wouldn't necessarily be able to provide some of the video evidence that they have

Rogan says Hal Puthoff told him that remote viewing was used to find the location of a downed Russian craft to within a couple of kilometres, in remote wilderness Russia had not located.

they used it to to very specifically find the location of a downed Russian craft within like a couple kilometers

Luna says that in non-classified settings people have told her office that through meditation they download information and can communicate with the phenomenon; she describes them as high-level, clean-cut executives who are not on drugs, whose accounts she cross-references with people in intelligence agencies, but takes with a grain of salt.

we're being able to via meditation. We're essentially like downloading information. We can communicate with these things.

Luna says David Grusch (transcribed 'Gush') is now working with the task force to chase down leads about contractors that allegedly hold the technology.

David Gush, who now is actually working with the task force to kind of chase down a lot of these leads

Luna says that in a conversation outside a SCIF, Grusch told her he received very real threats against his life and his wife's life before he testified.

prior to him testifying that he actually received very real threats against his life and his wife, his wife's life

Luna says a massive smear operation was launched against Grusch after he testified, and argues that the scale of the effort suggests his testimony was threatening.

this massive smear operation that was launched against him to try to discredit his testimony

Luna acknowledges there has been a lot of fake material, but says the legitimate material the task force has seen, including what witnesses testified to, is not a joke.

there's been a lot of fake stuff put out there, but the stuff that is legitimate that we are seeing

Luna argues that photos or video a service member takes on a personal device should not be treated as the government's to classify, calling this overclassification.

if you're serving in the military and you're taking a photo on your personal device or a video on your personal device, that shouldn't be the purview of the federal government

Rogan says the first break in the wall of silence was the 2017 New York Times report describing, in sensible language, that these things might be from another world.

I think the first break in the wall was that 2017 New York Times report

Rogan says The Age of Disclosure has hardly any UFO footage, only testimony, and that he found it very good; Luna says she has not seen it.

maybe like a little bit, but it's just testimony. It's just testimony.

Rogan summarises the film's argument: if secret programmes have been funded for decades, money has been misappropriated and Congress lied to, which is illegal, so the only logical resolution is mass amnesty.

What they're essentially saying is one of the problems is if they have been funding these secret programs, then for all these years they've been misappropriating money.

Rogan says the documentary calls for mass amnesty for those who misappropriated money, and for whistleblowers, and that he thinks it is the only logical way forward; he adds that the real crime is keeping this secret from humanity.

one of the things that this documentary was calling for that I think is the only logical way to solve this is a mass amnesty for these people

Rogan says, in the context of misappropriated money, that the Pentagon has not been able to pass its audit.

the Pentagon hasn't been able to pass the audit

Luna says that legislation granting mass amnesty and pardons would be blocked by people in the intelligence community and in Congress on both sides who want the information kept secret, and gives Burchett's FAA bill as the example.

there are people within the intelligence community and within Congress on both sides

Luna says Rep. Tim Burchett had a bill to have the FAA develop a UAP reporting procedure, that the chairman of Intel ensured it was not brought forward, and that the version that passed the Senate had no teeth.

the chairman of Intel ensured that that legislation was not brought forward, that it was stopped

Luna says Burchett then drew a primary challenger backed by the chairman of Intel, and that members who touch the topic take heat from both sides.

Representative Burchett drew a primary challenger that was being backed by the chairman of Intel

Luna says she told herself at the start that AARO, the Pentagon office that compiles UAP investigations, was a BS organization that would tell her nothing, and that every SCIF interaction with it was a nothing burger.

This organization is literally a BS organization. They're never going to tell us anything.

Luna says that under the current administration the FBI and ODNI have given the task force transparency and briefings it would have been denied before; elsewhere she names Tulsi Gabbard, John Ratcliffe (transcribed 'Radcliffe') and Kash Patel as having been extremely transparent on other investigations.

with the new administration, specifically with the FBI, specifically with OD and II, we have gotten transparency

Luna says unnamed people came forward to say they had been told not to brief her group on UAP by then-members of House leadership whom they would not name; when she and another member confronted multiple people, all denied denying access.

They were told to not brief our group specifically on this topic and that it was from at the time members of House leadership, but they wouldn't say who

Luna says a hearing witness described an object over Vandenberg Air Force Base bigger than a football field, a red cube with something odd in its center, and that she had the witness draw it.

whatever had appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football field and basically a cube, a red cube with some weird thing in the center of it

Luna says the Vandenberg object produced multiple police blotter entries from hundreds of people who phoned law enforcement.

It actually had multiple blotters reporting on it from phone calls into law enforcement from like hundreds of people

Rogan says the Roswell wreckage was flown to Wright Field and that President Truman supposedly met it there, after the newspaper story forced a retraction and a weather-balloon press conference.

They flew the the wreckage and Truman met them there supposedly.

Rogan says the big mistake in the 1947 Roswell episode was that the newspaper printed it, after which the military had to backtrack with a press conference showing scattered weather-balloon pieces.

The big mistake with the Roswell one was the newspaper printed it.

Luna says that based on the evidence she has seen she has no reason to believe the witnesses are lying, and that the American people deserve access to what the government holds.

I don't have any reason to believe that these people are lying

Luna says she does not believe aliens created mankind, she believes God did, and later says she disagrees with the idea that humanity was seeded by UFOs.

I'm not saying that like aliens created mankind. I don't believe that because I at the end of the day believe that God is responsible for our creation.

Luna says she reserved a SCIF and invited some of the biggest names in UFO lore to brief the task force; they all got sick the day it was open, or recovered and then stopped talking to her. She calls it 'skiff flu'.

the biggest names in UFO lore

Luna says potential witnesses told her whistleblower protections do not cover physical safety, and that some allege actual physical concerns.

whistleblower protections only go so far and you can't do anything for my physical safety

Luna says a former combat controller whom Grusch had pointed the task force to (an acquaintance of her husband) declined to testify at the next UAP hearing, which she expects next month.

he did not want to come in. He wanted nothing to do with it.

Luna says Gaetz had been contacted by two or three pilots saying the Air Force was covering up information about UAP activity in the Florida panhandle, and asked her and Burchett to go with him to investigate.

he had two two or three pilots said that had contact him saying that the Air Force was covering up

Rogan says that if what claimants allege is true, a recovered craft traverses space and time instantly, uses an unknown element that defies gravity, and has no interior controls, everything being done with the mind of the pilot.

It it's utilizing no interior mechanisms of control. Everything is done with the mind of the pilot.

Luna says that before the Eglin delegation arrived, the Pentagon tried to cancel the meeting, and that Gaetz, then on House Armed Services, got the committee chairman involved so that the visit went ahead.

The Pentagon had tried to cancel the meeting and you can't.

Luna says that at Eglin the briefers kept talking about the Chinese spy balloon, which was not what the delegation had come to see.

They keep BS us or BSing us about the Chinese spy balloon. That's not what we were there to see.

Luna says that at Eglin the base commander denied the delegation access to the pilots and information, got into a verbal disagreement in the SCIF, left the room mid-meeting, and about five minutes later a tech sergeant said he had been authorised to go on leave to Georgia and would not return; a second-in-command then produced one pilot to brief them. She says she never saw a commander leave a congressional delegation like that.

the base commander's been authorized to go on leave to Georgia. He won't be coming back.

Luna says Matt Gaetz said on the record, as soon as he left office, that what the delegation saw was stuff he does not believe was created by mankind; she adds that he cannot say what they saw and leaves listeners to infer.

Representative Gates has gone on record. He actually did as soon as he left office that we've seen stuff that I don't believe was created by mankind.

Rogan relays from The Age of Disclosure that Hal Puthoff, during the Bush administration, was one of many scientists assigned to put numbers on the pros and cons of disclosure, told a crashed UFO was being reverse-engineered, and that every scientist concluded the cons outweighed the pros.

He was one of many scientists that was assigned to put a numerical value to pros and cons of UFO disclosure.

Rogan says, apparently voicing Puthoff's reasoning, that disclosure would wreck confidence in government if something can go a hundred million times faster than thought possible, appear out of nowhere, stop nuclear programmes and shut down bases.

something that can go hundred million times faster than we think is physically possible through the universe, appear out of nowhere, stop all of our nuclear programs, shut down bases

Luna says that if one understands what Enoch was describing, the origins of whatever the UAP are 'kind of makes sense'.

if you have a understanding of what Enoch was talking about, kind of makes sense

Luna says she does not think any other government is as advanced as the US potentially is in this area, because otherwise it would be the world superpower.

I don't think that any other government is as advanced in regards to that topic as we potentially are.