The Age of Disclosure: Who Actually Controls the UAP Secrets? | w/ Dan Farah | SSHQ
- Channel
- VICE News
- Length
- 1 h 19 min
- Format
- Interview
- Speakers
- Shane Smith, Dan Farah, Gen. James Clapper (film clip), Steven Spielberg (clip), Unidentified film-clip voices
- Claims checked
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Summary
VICE News host 'Shane Smith' (inferred) interviews Dan Farah, director of The Age of Disclosure, about what the film's interviewees say and what has happened since its November 2025 release. Farah's strongest case: he gathered a set of current and former officials, among them Marco Rubio, Jay Stratton, Lue Elizondo and James Clapper, who on camera describe a decades-long, compartmentalised 'legacy program' (CIA-led, with the Air Force, Department of Energy and defence contractors) that retrieves crashed craft and 'biologics' and reverse-engineers the technology in a secret race with China and Russia. He says a presidential directive followed on 19 February (2026) ordering agencies to identify and declassify UAP evidence, that amnesty for insiders is being discussed, and that the Pentagon's PURSUE releases (first on 8 May, a second 'four days ago') contain a 1972 Apollo lunar-module image of a triangular craft, an active FBI site investigation, a 1948 Navy memo and a Cheyenne Mountain tic-tac sketch. Almost every factual claim is relayed secondhand from interviewees or from documents Farah describes, and none is demonstrated in the video: no document, sensor record or name behind the crash-retrieval claims is shown, and several are explicitly off the record. The conversation touches the workbench's themes only at the margin (the host asks whether 'God' is an alien; the origin hypotheses include interdimensional and a hidden terrestrial life form) and contains nothing on consciousness, psi, near-death experience or death.
We publish a summary, chapters, the claims and short quotes. The transcript itself is never published.
Speakers
- Shane SmithHostHost of the 'SSHQ' show on VICE News; identity inferred from the SSHQ title tag and a line at 1:07:06 where the host refers to himself as 'Shane'
- Dan FarahHollywood producer; director and producer of the documentary The Age of Disclosure
- Gen. James Clapper (film clip)Per Farah: former Director of National Intelligence, former head of Air Force intelligence; in the clip says he was chief of Air Force intelligence and then director of the Defense Intelligence Agency
- Steven Spielberg (clip)Film director; named by Farah and host
- Unidentified film-clip voicesVoices from The Age of Disclosure spliced into the audio without names (a controller account, a 'Walmart-size' black craft account, a '99% of scientists' remark)
Claims
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In a cold-open archival clip, Spielberg says he is much more inclined now than when he made Close Encounters to believe we are not the only intelligent civilization in the universe.
I am much more inclined now than I was when I made Close Encounters. to really believe that we're not the only intelligent civilization in the universe.
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Farah says the film was financed independently, made in secrecy with NDAs, with participants limited to people who had direct knowledge through US government work, and that it effectively became 'the plan for disclosure'.
I would make this movie completely independently. I would independently finance it. Uh every we'd make it in complete secrecy. everyone would sign strict NDAs.
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Farah says the 19 February presidential directive instructed all federal agencies to identify evidence of UAP and non-human intelligent life and to declassify it, issued about three months after the film's 21 November 2025 release.
Trump issued a presidential directive instructing all federal agencies to identify evidence of UAP and non-human intelligent life and to declassify it.
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Farah says his interviewees describe a 'legacy program', quarterbacked by the CIA with elements of the Air Force, Department of Energy and private defence contractors, that has gatekept UAP information for about 80 years.
a number of the interview subjects in my doc uh reveal that a program referred to as the legacy program has gatekept this information for basically 80 years.
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Farah assigns roles inside the legacy program: Air Force runs field operations including retrievals of crashed UAP; the Department of Energy supplies a classification system outside the intelligence community's; contractors do reverse engineering; the CIA has operational control.
the air force is actually uh like sort of like in control of field operations like doing actual retrievalss of crashed UAP
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Farah says Rubio explains that, because contractors stay constant while government overseers retire or die, successive overseers lose knowledge of the program's origin and eventually elected officials have no idea it exists.
The contractor stays constant. They keep working on it. That that government overseer, he retires or he dies. Another guy comes in.
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Farah says Rubio, as vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the rest of the committee learned the reality and extent of the cover-up and signed agreements that they would face jail time, or in some claims death, if they spoke.
They signed agreements that they would face jail time or in some cases some people claim it would cost them their lives if they spoke out about these things.
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Farah says career bureaucrats in the CIA, Department of Energy and Air Force can gatekeep for 20 to 30 years and 'wait out' administrations, and that agencies are not turning over evidence despite the presidential directive.
a lot of these federal agencies, they're they're not turning over the evidence they have or they're just playing dumb
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An unattributed film clip, about a Navy account of objects descending from over 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet and hovering for hours for over two weeks, says the objects were observed by controllers for over two weeks.
The controller had told us that these objects uh had been observed for over two weeks, coming down from over 80,000 ft, rapidly descending to 20,000 ft, hanging out for hours, and then going straight back up.
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Farah says a 1948 internal memo from the US Navy's commander of naval operations, released the previous Friday, told the whole naval force to be on the lookout for UAP after an increase in flying-saucer sightings and to report to the Air Force rather than up the Navy chain.
a memo from 1948 internal memo from the US Navy where the commander of all naval operations was essentially instructing the entire naval force uh to be on the lookout for UAP
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Farah says there is a tug of war behind the scenes between officials who want UAP made a national priority and informed public, and gatekeepers who think secrecy is best and do not want to lose control of information.
There's a there's a tug of war happening behind the scenes.
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Farah says some gatekeepers sincerely believe the public cannot handle the truth, and argues the film shows people can, because viewers become curious rather than panicked.
I think my documentary shows people can right people aren't watching this movie and you know jumping out of windows losing their minds.
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The host says the government is now actually 'having disclosures' and data dumps (whistleblower testimony, congressional reports, military memos, court records), and that a still from the lunar lander of a UAP is in the dump.
The Trump administration has done dumps of whistleblower testimonies, congressional reports, military memos, court records.
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The host says that unequivocal proof of a UAP or biologics would raise 'Is God an alien?', and gives as reason for the secrecy that 'the fabric of religion, of law, of our shared history goes out the window'.
Does God exist? Is God an alien? Are we alone? How long have they been here?
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Farah says the people gatekeeping the information have been in a high-stakes secret Cold War race with China and Russia to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin, which interviewees call the 'Manhattan Project on steroids'.
the people that have been gatekeeping this information, they've also been involved in a highstakes secret cold war race with adversarial nations like China and Russia to try to reverse engineer this technology of non-human origin.
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Farah predicts the government will acknowledge the retrieval of technology of non-human origin and the technology race, probably over the next year or two, though he is unsure whether under this presidency or the next.
I think it's going to play out over the next year or two.
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An unattributed film clip says how can the US win a technology race when 99% of its scientists do not even think the subject is a valid area of inquiry (a later clip says 99.999%).
How can we win a technology race when 99% of the scientists in our country don't even know it's a valid area of inquiry?
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Farah says people involved in the cover-up have told senior members of Congress and the intelligence community that they fear prosecution, that support is building inside the White House for amnesty, and that some cabinet members are messaging the intelligence community that it is not a witch hunt, possibly with a six-month window.
there's a brewing support uh inside of even the White House right now to offer amnesty to these people.
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Farah says a number of people in the film have learned that crashed craft of non-human origin have been retrieved, in many cases with non-human bodies ('biologics').
a number of the people in my film reveal that they have learned that there have been retrievalss of crash craft of non-human origin. In many cases, there were non-human bodies
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Farah says Kennedy's Rice University speech is the model interviewees want, and quotes Kennedy as saying space technology, like nuclear technology, has no conscience of its own.
space technology like nuclear technology has no conscious of its own it's up to mankind whether it's used for good or evil
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Farah says a university has recently created the first class on UAP and that the scientific community is beginning to accept the subject, though he cannot remember which university.
some university was the first to um put a put a a a class around UAP
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Farah says people in the film state that in the late 1940s and early 1950s the CIA deliberately created a cultural stigma around UAP as a sophisticated disinformation campaign, and that some Hollywood people were tasked with making the topic look silly.
the CIA, as a way to prevent people from looking into it and asking questions, they created this cultural stigma
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Farah says one aim of the film was to 'put a nail in the coffin of the stigma', because until recently a sitting senator or senior fighter pilot had no reason to speak up and would face the stigma.
one of the big objectives for the documentary um for the people who participated was to um put a nail in the coffin of the stigma
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Farah recalls a CBS News survey from about a week earlier in which an overwhelming majority believed we are not alone and that the US government knows more than it has said, but does not remember the numbers.
it was like overwhelming uh majority of people they surveyed believed a we're not alone in the universe and b that the US government knows more than they've told us.
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Farah says FOIA is of limited use because material has moved to private defence contractors, who cannot be FOIA'd, and the Department of Energy uses a separate classification system equivalent to the one guarding nuclear secrets.
You can't foyer Loheed Martin, right? Um and the Department of Energy has its own classification system that's not very easy to to foyer.
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Farah says some people within the White House want to 'put this secret back in a box and bury it for another 80 years'.
I think there are still some people within the White House that want to put this secret back in a box and bury it for another 80 years.
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Farah says people in the film reveal ongoing UAP activity over US nuclear and sensitive military sites since the late 1940s, from orbs to craft to giant craft.
there has been ongoing UAP activity over our nuclear sites and our um military sites sensitive military sites uh since the late 40s
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Farah says that in the film, a couple of Air Force security guards describe a recent event at Vandenberg Air Force Base in which half a dozen guards watched a giant matte black craft the size of a football field, with no windows, lights or visible propulsion, come off the coast and then shoot off at thousands of miles an hour.
a giant UAP came off the coast and over Vanderberg and half a dozen Air Force security guards all stood there looking up at this extraordinary thing
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Farah says Rubio warns that if the US does not take this seriously it will 'wake up one day' to find China has fully reverse engineered the technology, drawing on intelligence failures of imagination such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
if we don't get our act together as a nation and take this more serious and put more resources towards it, we're going to wake up one day and we're going to find out that China got there before we did.
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Farah says Rubio is the national security adviser and the secretary of state at the same time, which has happened once before in US history, with Henry Kissinger in the late 1970s for two years.
He's the national security adviser and the secretary of state at the same time. That's happened once in US history.
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Farah says orbs have been seen since World War II, when Allied pilots reported them flying beside their aircraft and performing evasive manoeuvres as if intelligently controlled, and that early astronauts reported orbs from space.
Allied pilots were reporting seeing orbs flying next to their their airplanes. And they describe them um performing evasive maneuvers as if they were intelligently controlled.
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Farah says he does not think anyone in a US government leadership position believes orbs are man-made, because if they were the last 100 years would have gone differently (World War II would have been won instantly).
I don't think there's anyone in a leadership position in the United States government right now that thinks orbs are man-made.
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Farah lists the views on what orbs are: advanced sensors or probes from elsewhere, another form of life that has existed alongside us, or transport vehicles with something inside.
some people think they might be, as extraordinary as it sounds, another form of life that has existed alongside us and we just didn't know about them.
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Farah says leading scientists in the film have worked out how UAP operate: immense energy in a localised area creates a bubble separating the craft from its environment, which explains transmedium travel, apparent speed differences and brightness.
some of the leading scientists on this reveal how they figured out they figured out how UAP work and how they're creating an immense amount of energy in a localized area
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Farah says the possible origins are extraterrestrial, interdimensional (discussed within the military, intelligence and government) or a life form that has always been on Earth, and that nobody alive knows which.
the possibilities include extraterrestrial obviously from some other planet um interdimensional is something that is talked a lot about uh amongst people in our in our military intelligence community and government as a possibility.
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The host says it is mathematically more possible that we are in a simulation than the only planet with life, and offers interdimensional and time-travelling humanoid origins as possibilities.
maybe they're humanoids from the future. Maybe it's a sort they're coming back in time maybe.
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Farah says Admiral Tim Gallaudet argues that if a more intelligent species wanted to hide from humanity the most obvious place would be our oceans, which are mapped less well than the Moon's surface, and that UAP have been reported entering and leaving the ocean for 80 years.
if I was a more intelligent species from somewhere else and I came here and I wanted to hide from humanity, the most obvious place to do it is in our oceans.
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The host says submarine commanders tell people in the intelligence community off the record that something passed their submarine at 100 miles an hour.
from submarine commanders who, you know, off the record tell people in the intelligence community, you know, something went by the submarine at 100 miles an hour.
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Farah says Navy fighter pilots upgraded their radar about 10 years ago and then began seeing these objects on radar; one pilot said they became 'ubiquitous', seen every day.
about 10 years ago they upgraded their their radar systems so they started seeing more stuff on their radar
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Farah says Congressman Carson chaired the first UAP hearing, on the House Intelligence Committee, and says in the film that otherworldly activity comes in and out of the oceans.
He chaired the first hearing on UAP and he was on the House Committee on the CIA.
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In a film clip, Clapper says that when he was in the Air Force there was an active program to track anomalous activities, many connected with ranges out west, notably Area 51.
When I served in the air force uh there was an active program to uh track anomalous uh activities that uh you know we couldn't otherwise explain. Many of them connected with uh ranges out west notably um Area 51.
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Farah says Clapper also states on camera that UAP activity over Area 51 is real, and that this was the first time Clapper participated in anything like this.
he also goes on the record and says that UAP activity over Area 51 is real.
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Farah says everyone he interviewed, across party lines, said the same thing and mostly did not know each other, and that none of his off-the-record contacts in Senate leadership, the White House or intelligence leadership questioned whether it is real.
None of them is questioning, not a single person I met is questioning whether this is real.
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Farah says Stratton, then head of air and space warfare at the DIA, was shown in a SCIF a video of a triangle craft hovering over a missile site and knew immediately that neither the US nor its adversaries could build it within 50 years.
that's nothing that we are even close to building in the next 50 years and none of our adversaries are.
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Farah says there had been no real government UAP program since the closure of Project Blue Book, which he calls a 'BS thing' stood up to make the public think it was being investigated.
we know in hindsight that was a a BS thing. It was like stood up to make the public think we're we're looking into this.
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Farah says Stratton and a colleague started a program called 'OAP' (probably AAWSAP) funded by Senator Harry Reid, the first government UAP investigation since Blue Book, which lasted a couple of years.
OAP got its funding from Senator Harry Reid and some of some of his colleagues.
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Farah says staff on the OAP realised there was a deeper hidden legacy program that did not want it to exist and obstructed it with bureaucratic hurdles, until it lost funding and Stratton and colleagues continued it unofficially as 'ATIP' (AATIP), which Elizondo then joined.
the guys involved in OAP realized there was this bigger deeper program that was hidden the legacy program and that program did not want OAP to exist
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Farah says the two men planned for one to go public (Elizondo) and the other to stay inside government (Stratton), and that Elizondo was attacked but got Congress's attention through mainstream media.
one of them would go public and the other would stay behind uh to move the ball forward whatever new interest got captured by the guy going public.
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Farah says Stratton was told by the Secretary of Defense and the head of naval intelligence to build a whole-of-government UAP investigation, which took two years, was announced in 2020 with Stratton as director, and never actually received appropriate funding.
The Secretary of Defense and head of naval intelligence um instructed him to go build this.
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Farah says the film cuts from Rubio saying contractors have gained unchecked power to Eisenhower's farewell warning about unwarranted influence of the military-industrial complex, and that Rubio says the US has arrived at what Eisenhower warned of.
Rubio is in the documentary articulating we we got there.
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Farah says the first PURSUE release, on 8 May, included a 1972 Apollo lunar-module still showing what looks like a structured triangular craft with three points hovering over the Moon, and that people at NASA and the UAP Task Force ruled out lens flare and camera effects and concluded it was real.
you can see what looks like a structured triangle craft, three points hovering over the moon.
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Farah says people who analysed the Apollo image told him that raising the contrast reveals a second triangle in the same frame.
when you change um the contrast on the image, you can find there's actually another triangle in the same frame.
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Farah says the most recent release revealed an active FBI investigation at a specific US site with recurring UAP activity, where agents see it with their own eyes daily, film it and keep a command post, which he says he knows to be real from his own relationships within the FBI.
there's an active FBI investigation at a specific site in the US that's having reoccurring UAP activity and FBI agents are seeing it with their own eyes and and recording it on a daily basis.
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Farah says the second release included a witness-based drawing, made because five credible military witnesses had no phones, of a tic-tac or potato-shaped craft over Cheyenne Mountain, with a report on the witnesses' credibility.
five very credible military witnesses all saw this with their own eyes. They didn't have um their phones on them, so they couldn't record it.
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Farah says the warp-bubble barrier also explains why UAP photos and videos are blurry and distorted, like photographing koi from above the water, and that classified clear video exists, presumed taken when the bubble was off.
you're literally taking a photo through a space-time barrier, basically.
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Farah says crashes could be explained by room for error in any advanced technology and by a belief among most interviewees that human activity such as atomic testing may knock craft out of their protective bubble.
Maybe you can knock a craft out of that bubble with the right circumstances.
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Farah says Dr. Halpudof (probably Hal Puthoff) states in the film that some recovered craft were not crashes but were found outside military bases, as if left as gifts, perhaps to advance our technology or as an IQ test if adversaries are given gifts too.
some of the craft that have been recovered weren't crashes. They were just found outside military bases. Like they were placed there like they were given to us as a gift.
Topics
- Legacy programA program that interview subjects say has 'gatekept' UAP information for about 80 years, made up of certain people in the CIA, the Department of Energy, the Air Force and defence contractors, quarterbacked by the CIA.
- Crash retrievalRecovery of crashed craft of non-human origin, in many cases with non-human bodies ('biologics'), carried out by Air Force elements and special forces.
- Reverse engineering of recovered technologyDefence contractors, who hold the best engineers, work out how recovered technology functions; Farah says they retain control as overseers rotate out.
- Compartmentalisation and need-to-knowPresidents and elected overseers are kept outside the information, so that officials gradually lose track of the program's origin while contractors stay constant.
- Non-human intelligenceFarah says interviewees accept that non-human intelligent life exists and has been here; where it comes from is the next question and nobody alive knows the answer.
- UAP stigmaThe idea that anyone who looks into UAP or reports a sighting is 'kooky'; Farah says the CIA created it deliberately and that a goal of the film was to end it.
- Disinformation campaignA sophisticated, 80-year campaign, started in the late 1940s and early 1950s, that Farah says punished anyone who spoke publicly and later used Hollywood content to ridicule the topic.
- Secret technology raceA 'Manhattan Project on steroids' between the US and adversaries to reverse-engineer non-human technology, said to promise a new energy source, interstellar travel and weapons of mass destruction.
- Military-industrial complexRubio, per Farah, says defence contractors have reached the unchecked power Eisenhower warned about; Farah wants contractor control of the UAP material put 'under a magnifying glass'.
- Warp bubble / energy bubble propulsionScientists in the film are said to explain that UAP create immense localised energy and a bubble separating the craft from its environment, which explains transmedium travel, apparent speed and brightness.
- Transmedium travelMovement between space, air and water without being affected by the medium, attributed to the bubble.
- OrbsSightings of spheres, reported since World War II and by early astronauts; Farah lists views that they are sensors or probes, another life form, or transport vehicles with something inside.
- Origin hypotheses (extraterrestrial, interdimensional, hidden terrestrial)Farah says the possibilities are extraterrestrial, interdimensional (talked about in the military and intelligence community) and another life form that has always existed on Earth.
- Hidden terrestrial life form (oceans)A non-human species that has coexisted with us unnoticed; supported in the interview by the idea that the oceans, mostly unmapped, are where a hiding species would live.
- UAP activity at nuclear and sensitive military sitesOngoing UAP activity over nuclear and sensitive military sites since the late 1940s, from orbs to giant craft.
- Amnesty for insidersA mooted presidential directive protecting people involved in the cover-up who come forward within a time window.
- Disclosure as a process (an 'age')Farah named the film for an age of disclosure rather than a moment: a process of milestones, pushback and gradual public acceptance.
- Craft left as giftsSome recovered craft were not crashes but were left outside military bases as gifts, possibly to move technology along or as an 'IQ test' for rival nations.
- UAP Task ForceA whole-of-government investigation built by Stratton at the direction of the Secretary of Defense and the head of naval intelligence, announced in 2020, which Farah says never received proper funding.
- AATIP and OAP (AAWSAP)A bootstrapped, unofficial effort that Stratton and colleagues continued after the funded OAP lost its money; Elizondo joined it.
- Project Blue BookThe Air Force investigation that Farah says was stood up to make the public think it was being looked into and concluded there was nothing there.
- PURSUE file releasesGovernment document and media releases after the presidential directive; Farah cites a first on 8 May and a second four days before recording.
- Simulation hypothesis (host)The host says it is mathematically more likely that we are in a simulation than the only planet with evolution and water.