Hal Puthoff (captioned 'Harold')

Puthoff describes himself as a quantum physicist who worked for the NSA and other intelligence organisations including the CIA.

I'm a quantum physicist worked for the National Security Agency for various organizations in the intelligence community like CIA and so on.

As science adviser to Robert Bigelow (Bigelow Aerospace), Puthoff was involved when the DIA asked for an inquiry into UAP, which became the programme Farah calls 'OAP'.

As a science adviser to him, uh it turned out that the Defense Intelligence Agency came forward and said, uh you know, we need to find out uh really what's going on in the so-called UAP area.

Observed UAP flight (right-angle turns at about 6g, emerging from the ocean) looks beyond known physics.

they say, okay, these pilots are out there and they suddenly see craft coming out of the ocean and making right angle turns at 6G or whatever. And they say, oh my god, this is way beyond our physics.

Engineering the metric of spacetime (Einstein's general relativity) would reproduce the effects observed in UAP, so the science is understood but the engineering is missing.

if you could engineer those you would actually get the same effects that people were observing with these UAP crafts so we think we've come up with you know what it is about uh the science of it.

Puthoff believes in UAP because he has been exposed to data about them; the data are not described.

Absolutely believe in UAPs because I've been exposed to data about them.

UAP have come over nuclear missile sites and disabled the missiles.

UAP have come over nuclear uh missile sites and actually turned off the missiles.

In the Soviet Union a UAP hovered over a missile base and forced the launch system into a countdown without anyone touching a control; a clip says the base lost control for 15 seconds.

in the Soviet Union, the UAP came over and actually started a launch of the Russian missiles. I mean, it actually forced the system to start into a countdown process.

Some craft were not crashed but left in the desert, like a gift or donation; others crash because electromagnetic or laser pulsing interferes with their technology.

some of them have not crashed but have been simply left in the desert sort of like a gift or a donation.

Puthoff says the evidence is clear that some form of life with advanced technology exists, while conceding that what can be proved about it remains unknown.

there is some form of life with advanced technology. You know, if you want to say, well, what can I prove about about it? Well, that those are still unknowns that we're trying to sus out.

Puthoff is essentially certain that neither the US nor its adversaries built the technology he has seen data about.

it's looking at the technology which is so advanced that I'm essentially certain that no uh us or our adversaries could have made it.

Many UAP reports can be set aside as human-made or social contagion, but evidence of technologies and bodies cannot.

we can generally set aside as being you know just manufactured by humans who get caught up in this sort of give and take on social media and so on.

Asked whether God made the aliens, Puthoff says he cannot rule it out and cannot prove it as a scientist.

I couldn't say that's not the case. But, you know, as a scientist, I can't prove that that it is the case.

David Grusch (caption 'Crush') says steps were taken to ruin his career, and the intelligence community inspector general found his complaint serious and worthy of consideration.

the number one whistleblower for for many people has been David Crush. And so he has uh outlined the various steps taken against him to basically ruin his career

People involved in UAP matters have had their lives threatened, by people linked to the legacy programme; Puthoff is not certain anyone has been killed.

I think a lot of people have had their lives threatened. I'm not certain if if anyone has been killed. But I know people have had their lives threatened.

The legacy programme holds firsthand evidence of crash materials and bodies and 80 years of data.

they have the firsthand evidence of the crash materials and the bodies. There's 80 years of data that this this group has

In the 1970s, while at Stanford Research Institute, Puthoff was approached by the CIA to investigate ESP; an initial 50 to 60 thousand dollars grew into a programme of more than two decades and millions of dollars (Stargate).

I was at Stanford Research Institute and uh they saw my background. They came to me and said, you know, we'd like for you to to look into this. Is there anything to this?

Puthoff's team trained Army Intelligence officers in remote viewing at INSCOM, Fort Meade.

we ended up actually training Army Intelligence officers at the Army Intelligence and Security Command at Fort me how to do this.

Puthoff briefed William Casey, Director of Central Intelligence, on remote viewing.

I briefed all the way up to Bill Casey, director of the CIA.

Puthoff suggests consciousness research and quantum entanglement might allow evidence of mind beyond the physical body (put as a question).

Maybe now we have new uh you know psychiatrists and neurohysiologists beginning to study you know how does consciousness do its thing in the brain

American and Soviet remote viewers later met, swapped accounts and did experiments together; Puthoff says the Soviets were also alarmed that superconducting safes might not protect documents.

the American remote viewers got together with the Soviet remote viewers and traded war stories did experiments together