Garry Nolan

Genetic and radiological analysis of the small Atacama ('Ata') specimen found it to be a human female, likely a premature birth, with skeletal mutations explaining its unusual morphology, not an extraterrestrial.

showed in fact that it wasn't alien at all it was a human with mutations that could have explained what it looked like

Of roughly 100 individuals medically evaluated in the program that preceded the 'Anomalous Health Incidents' classification, about 85-90 were consistent with what became known as Havana syndrome / 'interference syndrome,' leaving roughly 10 who also claimed direct UFO/craft interaction.

once you had taken those 85 or so people off the list what remained were let's say 10 or so individuals who claimed interaction with UFOs

Initial excess apparent mutations in the Atacama specimen's DNA sequencing were largely artifacts of degraded-DNA overread pipelines, correctable with standard bioinformatics procedures rather than evidence of unknown biology.

there were more mutations than there should have been... a lot of the stuff that excited everybody... were actually explainable by bringing in the experts

The Atacama specimen's allele frequencies matched those of indigenous peoples from the Atacama region of Chile, per comparison against a Stanford genetics database.

we had one just literally down the hall for me... it precisely accorded with the Atacama region of indigenous peoples

Nolan says he has worked with and spoken to at least half a dozen people who claim to have worked on a government 'Legacy program' involving reverse-engineering of alien craft, but he has not himself seen a craft or a body.

have I seen an alien body no have I seen a craft on the ground no... I've worked with them now for 10 years... at least half a dozen people who have worked on... the Legacy program

A professor referred to as 'Mike McMaster' (likely Michael P. Masters) proposed that UAP occupants may be humans from Earth's future, observing their own past much as archaeologists study earlier civilizations.

there's a professor Mike McMaster who wrote a book about it... he kind of fleshes the whole thing out

UAP interest in nuclear sites is evidenced, per widely repeated claims Nolan cites, by objects that reportedly disabled multiple US nuclear missile silos on at least one occasion and allegedly activated a Soviet missile launch countdown sequence on another.

these famous incidents about them showing up over nuclear missile silos where they shut them all down... they turned the missiles on and start the countdown

A warp-bubble propulsion concept (attributed to a physicist Nolan calls 'Aluer,' i.e. Miguel Alcubierre) originally required energy equal to the Sun's entire rest-mass-energy output every second; later refinements by other physicists reduced the requirement by orders of magnitude, but no known source of negative mass/energy exists.

the amount of energy required to accomplish it is like the whole rest mass of the Sun every second... other physicists... bring it down by orders of magnitude... nobody has negative mass or negative energy

Nolan states his personal bias is that the aggregate evidence for UAP being anomalous and unexplained by conventional means is 'overwhelming,' even while elsewhere insisting he does not 'believe in anything' and only follows the data.

to me this is my bias the evidence is is overwhelming overwhelming

Nolan and Vallee co-authored a paper submitted to SETI-affiliated researchers arguing the search for extraterrestrial intelligence should be reframed as a search for consciousness rather than for life or planet-bound civilizations.

I actually with Jacques Vallee wrote a paper to SETI about this saying well maybe... it shouldn't be a search for intelligence or life it should be a search for consciousness

In the 1994 Ariel School case (Zimbabwe), roughly 60 children reported an object landing near their schoolyard and beings communicating with them telepathically; Harvard child psychiatrist John Mack investigated and the children's drawings and accounts were consistent, including when several were re-interviewed as adults roughly 30 years later.

60 children... something landed near their schoolyard and these little guys came out and thought at them... John Mack went and interviewed them... the story is all corroborated

As a roughly 12-year-old paper boy near Sheffield Drive around 1974, Nolan saw a silent object pass low over trees, its shadow moving across the ground ahead of him; there was no landing, no missing time, and he says it could not have been a blimp given the hilly local terrain.

there's object went right over the top of the trees... it couldn't have been a blimp... it would have crashed another 200 feet away

The Brazilian military collected extensive UAP data, including the Varginha episode (multiple witnesses, an alleged entity) and the Colares episode near the mouth of the Amazon (weeks of alleged craft 'zapping' villagers, photographed by the Brazilian military).

the Varginha episode where multiple individuals saw this object... and then the Colares episode... the Brazilian military showed up and has pictures

China established its own formal UAP investigation group within the year prior to this interview.

they established their own UAP investigation group just last year

Physicist Kevin Knuth calculated that instantaneously moving a one-ton object from the ocean surface to space, as some observations claim, would require energy on the order of the entire US thermonuclear arsenal's annual output.

if you calculate the energy requirement it's like the entire thermonuclear output of the United States for a year Kevin Knuth basically did this calculation

A 'UAP Disclosure Act,' associated with Senators Schumer and Rounds and attempted three years running, would have mandated release of government UAP records and created a disclosure oversight board (on which Nolan says he was slated to serve); it was blocked after lobbying by two named Republican committee chairs (intelligence and armed services) and by aerospace companies.

there was a UAP disclosure act which literally 60 pages... two Republican Congress people came and lobbied against it... all the aerospace companies came in and said no you can't talk about this

Nolan suggests aerospace companies opposed the UAP Disclosure Act possibly because they hold reverse-engineered exotic alloys with applications unrelated to anti-gravity propulsion, and that an amnesty for contractors who may have misappropriated government-derived technology or funds could incentivize disclosure.

maybe you need to offer amnesty to these groups so that they can come let the information out... maybe there's some illegalities there

Unnamed insiders describe UAP craft as engineered 'at the atomic level,' a fabrication precision humans do not currently possess.

the claims from the inside is this stuff is actually engineered at the atomic level literally put together at the atomic level we don't have anything like that

Nolan published what he calls the first peer-reviewed academic analysis of a claimed UAP material, from the Council Bluffs, Iowa incident: mass spectrometry showed a heterogeneous (not homogenized) mixture of iron, titanium, aluminum and other elements, with no claim made about extraterrestrial origin.

I published literally the world's first peer-reviewed academic article on analysis of a UAP material... I found nothing extraterrestrial about it

A material fragment traced to a 1957 Ubatuba, Brazil incident measured 99.999% pure silicon via atomic probe tomography, a purity level Nolan says was not achievable with 1950s technology; one of two independently sourced samples showed magnesium isotope ratios described as 'way off Earth normal.'

99.999% silicon 1950 something who makes silicon at that level of purity... one of the two chains of evidence had magnesium isotope ratios that are way off Earth normal

A material claimed to originate from the Roswell incident shows layered magnesium-oxide/bismuth engineering at a precision Nolan says his students cannot explain how to manufacture with current technology.

it's engineered at with a level of precision and made of things that we just wouldn't put together layered magnesium oxide with bismuth interlaces

Nolan's lab analyses of the Ubatuba, Council Bluffs, and claimed-Roswell materials have reportedly been shared with or are held by several other people for potential independent verification, though no named independent replication is cited in this interview.

the material is in several people's hands... if anybody else can use this

The US government publishes a recurring annual report listing UAP cases that cannot be explained, which Nolan characterizes as an official acknowledgment that the phenomenon (by definition) is real, even while explicitly disclaiming proof of alien origin.

there's a report that comes out every year that lists a number of things that just can't be explained so they are by definition UAP

Nolan states that claimed alien abductions and animal mutilations fall outside his scientific purview because they cannot currently be examined with the kind of comparative, repeatable medical or materials evidence he applies to AHI and materials claims, though he notes recurring commonalities across abduction accounts.

I can't address claimed abductions... it's not scientifically in my purview... what's fascinating about it are the commonalities of the stories

Nolan and collaborators identified a neural-density cluster in the caudate-putamen of the AHI cohort, later corroborated in the wider medical literature as linked to intuition, and published three peer-reviewed papers comparing normal, autistic and schizophrenic brains on this marker; Nolan states the finding is unrelated to UAP causation.

we published three papers on this and that came because of the medical study that I did with the government... it had nothing to do with UAP

MRI scans of the AHI cohort showed brain scarring/white-matter changes resembling white-matter disease, distributed randomly (not focal) across the affected individuals.

the white matter disease that we saw most frequently in the brain was random... exposed to a field effect

The Tic Tac object was reportedly already present at the rendezvous coordinates Fravor's squadron was given, before the pilots themselves knew where they were being sent.

when he was told to go to his contact point... it was already there... even they didn't know where they were going until they were told to go there

David Fravor's 2004 'Tic Tac' encounter near a US nuclear aircraft carrier was corroborated by multiple simultaneous detection modalities: direct visual observation by Fravor and his co-pilot, radar tracking, and separately, infrared (FLIR) footage.

if it's just radar you can say there is a technological glitch but as soon as you have multiple modes of detection... human eyes radar... and flur

Ryan Graves and fellow East Coast pilots observed a 'fleet' of unidentified objects over several weeks, maneuvering against the wind, remaining stationary, and then departing rapidly.

he and his co-pilot saw it... they saw a fleet of them and they saw them over several weeks maneuvering and doing things that were not supposed to be able to do

Nolan attributes part of the apparent rise in UAP sightings over the last decade or two to upgraded US military radar and anti-stealth detection capability, rather than to a change in the phenomenon itself.

it was when we upgraded our capabilities suddenly the stuff was like everywhere... it correlated with our increased technical capability

David Grusch had his security clearance revoked and later restored after intervention by a senior Defense Intelligence Agency judicial official, and was subsequently the target of leaked medical records intended to discredit him.

they removed his security clearances he got them back because he actually got one of the heads of... the defense intelligence agency to basically protect him... some people from apparently the government leaked his medical reports

Nolan says he was personally threatened by phone, relayed via a friend, after publicly alluding in elliptical terms to information from a private conversation; the caller reportedly invoked 'Title 18' and, per Nolan's interpretation, an implied threat of lethal force from someone connected to the White House.

XYZ at the White House is really pissed at you... because Title 18 applies I said what does that mean lethal force is operable

Unidentified non-military personnel confiscated the Tic Tac video/radar data from the ship shortly after the incident; the footage did not resurface publicly until Luis Elizondo and Chris Mellon brought it to the New York Times, and Nolan says Elizondo showed him the footage privately roughly two weeks before the 2017 publication.

people showed up on the ship helicoptered in not military... the data disappeared literally... I was at a bar... with Lue Elizondo two weeks before the New York Times videos came out and he showed that stuff to me

One competing hypothesis for the Tic Tac and related incidents is an internal US 'blue-on-blue' electronic-warfare test, injecting false radar/sensor data to see whether it could deceive expert military observers; Nolan says this hypothesis is weakened by simultaneous independent human-eye, infrared and radar corroboration, since no known holographic technology can project a false image across miles that also tracks and briefly evades radar lock.

if we had holographic projectors like that why are we going to the movies anymore... there's no holographic projectors that can reach across miles and make it look like something is there

Then-AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick, whom Nolan elsewhere frames as broadly skeptical of and 'reviled amongst' the UAP research community, has publicly acknowledged 'many videos and incidents' of small metal spheres with no obvious propulsion moving over US military sites (including one over Mosul, Iraq), as if conducting surveillance.

even he came out publicly and said we have many videos and incidents of these metal spheres with no obvious propulsion moving across our military sites

Skywatcher, a donor-funded observation project Nolan is part of, includes participants who say they performed government crash-retrieval work (99% conventional US military/DOD hardware, not UAP), including a named participant, Jake Barber, whose account and credentials Nolan says skeptics have scrutinized without disproving.

one of those individuals is Jake Barber... his record has been micro examined by the skeptics and they can find nothing wrong with his story

Skywatcher's stated purpose includes attempting a 'form of contact' with the UAP phenomenon, run in coordination with elements of the US government.

the intent is to attempt a form of contact... it's being done in coordination... with the government

Some individuals who allegedly targeted UAP with radar or weapon-targeting systems ('painted' the objects) reported the object returning a signal that disabled or malfunctioned their own equipment.

the people who I know who even paint the objects with a radar reflection they get basically back a wash of anti-signal that either shuts down their own stuff

During the late-2024 New Jersey/East Coast 'drone' sightings, Skywatcher deployed sensors and found the large majority of observed drones were conventional/hobbyist, but some objects moved anomalously; some drones reportedly entered from and returned to the ocean, trailing US Coast Guard boats for miles.

when you have drones coming in from the ocean... and then returning to the ocean... and trailing Coast Guard boats for miles that's not hobbyist drones

The SOL Foundation's first public symposium, held at Stanford, drew about 200 attendees including scientists, doctors, lawyers, and government/military personnel.

we had our first symposia actually here at Stanford... we had about probably 200 people there for that

The SOL Foundation has published white papers on UK government UAP involvement (authored by a Bank of England-affiliated writer), on satellite-related UAP risk, and a Catholic theological perspective on non-human intelligence.

we put out a white paper on the United Kingdom... we've had one on satellites... we had a Catholic theologian write about it

UAP research and detection have nuclear-war-prevention policy value: ambiguous fast-moving objects could be mistaken for incoming ballistic missiles, and conversely a hostile state could disguise a real threat (bomb or surveillance device) as a 'UFO' to exploit public/military reluctance to investigate anomalous sightings.

if you wanted to use the stigma of UFO to get a craft into the United States or a bomb or a surveillance object... you'd make it look like that because everybody would ignore it

Nolan claims sustained advocacy from the UAP research community contributed to NORAD widening its sensor detection 'aperture,' which is how the 2023 Chinese spy balloons were subsequently detected; he says most anomalous sensor tracks are otherwise algorithmically filtered out because detection systems are tuned only to expected threat profiles.

it was only because we had been banging on Norad and the others to open up the aperture of their detection system that those balloons were found

A SOL Foundation white paper by (retired) Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet addresses 'trans-medium' craft: objects reportedly able to move between water, air and space with no visible flight surfaces and, underwater, no cavitation despite claimed speeds of several hundred miles per hour.

rear admiral Tim Gallaudet... penned a white paper... about trans medium crafts... some of these USOs are claimed to move underwater at several hundred miles an hour... without cavitation

Nolan says he is not worried about biological/pathogen risk from UAP, reasoning that cross-species pathogen transmission is rare even between terrestrial species and that an extraterrestrial organism would likely use different biochemistry, making cross-contamination unlikely.

it's the rare event that a bat virus... transmits across species it's very rare... something from another planet... its metabolism would be so different

Avi Loeb (Harvard) proposed that the interstellar object 'Oumuamua, which appeared to accelerate as it exited the solar system, could hypothetically be an artificial interstellar probe; the idea drew strong criticism from the astronomy community.

one of the hypotheses that he and his postdoc put on the table was that maybe it was an interstellar probe... he got absolutely savaged by the astronomy community

Avi Loeb led an ocean expedition that recovered spherical material ('nodules') associated with a meteor (widely referred to as IM1/CNEOS 2014-01-08) that reportedly entered Earth's atmosphere over the South Pacific; Loeb's team argued the material's composition ruled out a volcanic-ash origin proposed by other scientists.

he went and collected... nodules from the bottom of the ocean and developed a whole program... showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't what some scientists said it was volcanic ash

Jacques Vallee, Nolan's mentor of roughly 12 years, witnessed a UFO as a boy in France, corroborated by another person present, and separately, as a young astronomer in Paris, tracked an object whose orbit did not match known objects, with the data later 'wiped.'

as a young boy he saw a UFO with his mother in France... it was corroborated by another individual... he remembers seeing an object that they were tracking that was not doing the correct orbit... and then later wiped