Northern Iraq LAV-25 thermal video
- Date
- 2008
- Place
- Northern Iraq, near the Syrian border
- Record
- Curated case
- Assessment
- Contested
- Evidence strength
What was reported
A service member recorded with a personal camera the thermal gunsight display of a LAV-25 light armoured vehicle at night, showing an object that rose from low altitude by about 25 m, moved some 30 to 50 m sideways and back, and climbed slowly; the recorder said it looked unlike any fixed-wing or rotary aircraft. The clip surfaced on YouTube on 15 October 2021 from a file dump and was later promoted on a TMZ show with Jeremy Corbell. Mick West considers a distant aircraft with landing lights flying towards the camera most likely, while conceding uncertainty about lights so near the Syrian border, and argues that its likeness to the Gimbal video rests on comparing a white-hot with a black-hot frame.
What officials concluded
No conclusion stated
No official explanation has been given.
Strongest ordinary reading
A distant aircraft with landing lights (Mick West, tentative)
Evidence profile
- No: Visual
- Yes: Infrared
- No: Radar
- Yes: Video
- No: Photo
- No: Film
- No: Audio
- No: Night vision
- No: Other sensor
- No: Civilian
- No: Military aircrew
- Yes: Military ground
- No: Airline crew
- No: Sensor operator
- No: Law enforcement
- No: Scientist
- No: Astronaut
- No: Intelligence official
- No: Other
- No: Light only
- No: Orb or sphere
- No: Disc
- No: Triangle
- No: Cylinder
- No: Cube
- No: Other shape
- No: Physiological
- No: Physical trace
- No: Electromagnetic
- No: Sound
- No: Silent
Videos that discuss it
Claims and verdicts
- Unverified
A 2008 thermal-gunsight video from a Marine in a light armored vehicle near the Syrian border shows an object rising from the desert floor roughly 25 meters, moving 30-50 meters to one side and back, and slowly climbing, which von Rennenkampff notes bears 'intriguing similarities' to Gimbal.
He sees an object rising, in his words, rising up off of the desert floor... about 25 m.
- Unverified
The apparent visual similarity between the 2008 Iraq video and the Gimbal video is undermined by comparing a white-hot frame (Iraq video) against a black-hot frame (Gimbal), which have inverted/different contrast curves and are not a valid like-for-like comparison; Gimbal's own shape also changes across its footage as the object grows closer.
You're comparing a black hot to a white hot isn't a very good comparison.
- Unverified
The most likely explanation for the Iraq video's object is the landing lights of a distant aircraft, though West concedes he is 'not ready to rule this out' given uncertainty about why lights would appear roughly 100 miles from the Syrian border and their irregular shape.
The most likely thing is essentially the landing lights of an aircraft.
Outside sources
- Metabunk: Northern Iraq 2008 UAP footagemetabunk.org
On the map
35.50° N, 41.50° E, plotted at the centre of the region named in the record
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