Disclosed

Northern Iraq LAV-25 thermal video

Date
2008
Place
Northern Iraq, near the Syrian border
Record
Curated case
Assessment
Contested
Evidence strength
467 case pages by decade; this one falls in 2000s with 16 othersAll cases

What was reported

A service member recorded with a personal camera the thermal gunsight display of a LAV-25 light armoured vehicle at night, showing an object that rose from low altitude by about 25 m, moved some 30 to 50 m sideways and back, and climbed slowly; the recorder said it looked unlike any fixed-wing or rotary aircraft. The clip surfaced on YouTube on 15 October 2021 from a file dump and was later promoted on a TMZ show with Jeremy Corbell. Mick West considers a distant aircraft with landing lights flying towards the camera most likely, while conceding uncertainty about lights so near the Syrian border, and argues that its likeness to the Gimbal video rests on comparing a white-hot with a black-hot frame.

What officials concluded

No conclusion stated

No official explanation has been given.

Strongest ordinary reading

A distant aircraft with landing lights (Mick West, tentative)

Evidence profile

Sensors2 of 9
  • No: Visual
  • Yes: Infrared
  • No: Radar
  • Yes: Video
  • No: Photo
  • No: Film
  • No: Audio
  • No: Night vision
  • No: Other sensor
Witnesses1 counted
  • No: Civilian
  • No: Military aircrew
  • Yes: Military ground
  • No: Airline crew
  • No: Sensor operator
  • No: Law enforcement
  • No: Scientist
  • No: Astronaut
  • No: Intelligence official
  • No: Other
Shapenot stated
  • No: Light only
  • No: Orb or sphere
  • No: Disc
  • No: Triangle
  • No: Cylinder
  • No: Cube
  • No: Other shape
Effectsnone reported
  • No: Physiological
  • No: Physical trace
  • No: Electromagnetic
  • No: Sound
  • No: Silent

Videos that discuss it

1

Claims and verdicts

3
  • A 2008 thermal-gunsight video from a Marine in a light armored vehicle near the Syrian border shows an object rising from the desert floor roughly 25 meters, moving 30-50 meters to one side and back, and slowly climbing, which von Rennenkampff notes bears 'intriguing similarities' to Gimbal.

    He sees an object rising, in his words, rising up off of the desert floor... about 25 m.

    Said in UFO Skeptic Mick West Challenged To A Debate

  • Unverified3:29:40Mick WestSingle sensor

    The apparent visual similarity between the 2008 Iraq video and the Gimbal video is undermined by comparing a white-hot frame (Iraq video) against a black-hot frame (Gimbal), which have inverted/different contrast curves and are not a valid like-for-like comparison; Gimbal's own shape also changes across its footage as the object grows closer.

    You're comparing a black hot to a white hot isn't a very good comparison.

    Said in UFO Skeptic Mick West Challenged To A Debate

  • Unverified3:33:50Mick WestSingle sensor

    The most likely explanation for the Iraq video's object is the landing lights of a distant aircraft, though West concedes he is 'not ready to rule this out' given uncertainty about why lights would appear roughly 100 miles from the Syrian border and their irregular shape.

    The most likely thing is essentially the landing lights of an aircraft.

    Said in UFO Skeptic Mick West Challenged To A Debate

Outside sources

On the map

35.50° N, 41.50° E, plotted at the centre of the region named in the record

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